Epic Games CEO and Fortnite boss Tim Sweeney:
everyone will have to 'fess up to using it eventually as AI will become “involved in nearly all future production.”
Once again Epic games act like the moronic villains they are.
everyone will have to 'fess up to using it eventually as AI will become "involved in nearly all future production.
True enough! No reason not to say it up front, right?
Look y’all, not 1-in-20 people give a flying fuck about AI like we do on here.
That is true, but for instance Ian M Banks predicted AI being able to make art already back in the 70’s in his Culture series of books.
Even accurately simulating famous artists. And his conclusion was that AI should not make art at all, because it would end up detracting from the value of art.I think the reason the CEO is wrong, is that it will be a legal shitshow, and I think AI art may become illegal, or at the very least required to be clearly labeled as AI art.
We will see how it turns out.
I’ll call your bet and say that Sweeny is right. I think AI will become so commonplace that there will be no way around it and the market has already been streamlined in this direction.
I would love it if my “feels” could be seen. But that is not reality. This battle is already long lost. Lemmy and the like can rage about it til their flames die out but it is a lost cause.
There have already been several lawsuits against AI companies, where it is revealed that AI art is copied from existing original works.
You may be right, but I don’t think that battle is lost quite yet.
AI is mostly good for memes, beyond that it tends to quickly becomes repetitive, and of little value.
Of course AI art generally has a human “director” guiding the AI on what to do. As I said previously we will see how it turns out.
I’m not sure the end result of this will be within 10 years.The result is that this is unsustainable unless copyright and IP law except for trademark and authorship are dropped, to avoid imbalance between using AI on existing work to generate commercially clean substance and using your ability, helped by existing culturally meaningful material.
It’s basically an IP laundering technology. Supply to satisfy demand.
When libertarians say that regulations make barriers for those more vulnerable, but not for those who can bend those barriers, they are right. Except I doubt many a libertarian expected to be proven right this way 20 years ago.
And I think they might even drop IP laws. When enough elite types are certain that control of computing power and datasets allow them to remain on top in such an environment.
That’s also where all the advice to get used to AI in all production comes from, I think, they are already salivating at the thought of just reusing old stuff from enormous datasets, legally, not paying anything, and keeping staff only to do basic control of what the machine generates. Basically people who expect that they’ll be able to do the theft of the century and remain elite.
The headlines about AI killing human creativity don’t help, they are telling these people what they want to hear.
It won’t kill all human creativity. It will kill those relying upon killing it. It’s like a gold mine in EU4, except giving inflation 10x the original.
I’ve just read yesterday what the Russian idiom “red price” means (said about the biggest price one can give for something, and already a robbery). So - the opposite of that was “white price”. No, it’s not about civil war. It’s about copper and silver money. There were not that many silver mines in Russia, so when someone decided to turn the printer on, they’d mint a lot of copper coins. While silver money was mostly foreign (“yefimok”, from Joachimstaler, same as taler, dollar, you get the etymology, the international coin of that age, which is also why metropolies had their traditional money and colonies had dollars - dollar meant a silver coin of the same weight as Joachimstaler).
Since I’ve remembered Russian history, that’s also similar to USSR’s advertised strong side - instead of relying upon complex evolution process to achieve big things, we’ll just build a command system in charge of all our resources and plan the path we already know. As you might see, it doesn’t answer where future evolution will come from. It didn’t come at all.
Why do they say these stupid things as if they were giving an order?
They can’t order people to buy their stuff, they can’t order their stuff to work when it doesn’t. Having “AI” in it doesn’t change the latter part in case they think otherwise, just got this idea.
I suppose they like the change from the old “spend lots of resources, then scale indefinitely” with software development to the more traditional in other spheres “spend constant amount of resources for constant result”, and expect it will build hierarchies like everywhere.
Well, companies were going bankrupt long before personal computing.
I don’t know about Epic Games, I think I’ll play Oolite in free time when I’m done with my EU4 addiction. Or actually make something useful.
Based
“Calls.”
There’s only one call, and it’s coming from Tim Sweeny at Epic. It’s just more of his usual yelling at clouds, because he’s got a pathological hate-on for anyone else who runs a storefont, including Apple and Google but especially Valve. He hasn’t made any positive contribution to the world since about 1998, and at this point we can all safely discard his opinion with nothing of value being lost. He wants to allow AI slime on his own platform because he thinks it’ll make him free money, but maybe he ought to worry about the smell coming from his own house before he goes around trying to dictate at others how they should run theirs.
He wants to allow AI slime on his own platform
Don’t forget the
blatant scams calledcrypto games! He proudly announced Epic Games Store would happily sell games centered around NFTs and crypto after Valve said they wouldn’t allow it.
I think what’s important in this drama is that, despite their evil monopoly shit they’re guilty of, Valve really does do the right thing sometimes to win consumers. Gamers want AI disclosures, even if devs don’t.
That’s why it’s not surprising to see that statement from Sweeny, and why it’s not surprising that people still hate the Epic Games Store.
There’s nothing evil in Steam monopoly. Their evil thing is gambling.
Just curious, what is the evil monopoly shit you’re referring to? Is it simply the fact they are effectively a monopoly in games distribution, and that in and of itself is bad, or are there more specific practices or actions you’re thinking of?
People often point to their 30% cut of all transactions (except for large publishers) and their MFN policies that force devs to price games the same on other stores too.
Both. I’m strongly of the opinion that monopolies should not exist, and if they do it’s the result of illegal and/or unethical activity, and should be fixed immediately. They break the free market and end up hurting everyone in the long run.
In addition to what @Asterisk@lemmy.world said, they also include a forced arbitration clause in their terms of service to prevent class action lawsuits from customers.
Tbh, they’re very low on my personal list of monopolies to hate, so I don’t really have that many arguments ready to go. I’m sure others have made a good case against Steam somewhere on the internet already.
How many reasons to overthrow and kill the CEOs do we need
Slopification
LOL This is gonna catch on. I’ve seen things that this describes.
Gabe wins the internet once again.
It’s a pity other platforms, especially social media / video platforms don’t require full disclosure of use of AI. It might allow a lot of AI slop and misinformation to be eradicated, downvoted, or at least call itself out.
We need the disclosures now to slow the pace of the bullshit taking over, but it will not be stopped.
I mean, fuck, at this point if they’re using photoshop to extend a background, it’s AI. It’ll just end up becoming the California this contains items known to cause cancer logo all over again. It’s still the right thing to call it out, but everything, in short order, will require the label.
So why the fuck are they fighting to not do it? I’ll be a couple of billable hours and everyone and their brother will either disclose that they’re doing it or lie about it and we can move on with life.
I would never respond to social media drama in their position.
I’m curious how they define AI. In my view AI has been used for games for as long as games have existed.
LLM and GenAI, you dingus.
This stinks of whataboutism, giving examples that incredibly obviously won’t be included
So then they should say that instead.
Everyone knows it but you, seemingly
It is highly likely art and script, there are a lot of horrible games these days with ai art and script.
Funny how the meaning of AI is slowly changed by these companies.
Cool.
Maybe they can also stop forcing updates that break my game, too?
Fortunately, GOG exists. Which proves that Steam doesn’t need to force the updates on us, but chooses to.
