Oh good. AI is collapsing and it’s taking Oracle with it.
Can’t wait. Payback for Sun, for Java…
Good. Larry Ellison does not appear to be a force for good in the world. Steve Jobs had negative things to say about him and his obsession with increasing his billions.
Steve Jobs knew something about forces not for good.
Personally, I am eyeballs deep in this industry and even I’m now hoping to see it all burn to the ground. I’ve already concluded that I’ll never make it to retirement in my field, probably because of automation. Fuck ‘em all.
Same for me… It’s depressing. And I no faith the government will do anything besides make it worse. If we’re lucky we’ll get the Expanse 's version of basic.
Yeah, same here honestly. I’m sick of the ai cringe fest and the egotistical tech bros being so annoying and full of themselves and being arrogant. The tech bros are insufferable
The industry is not that bad, but it’s just one of them.
People need art. And art doesn’t survive in environments where there should be a winner and winner takes all.
Art is the social alternative of recessive genes. It allows to preserve more than needed “right now in this particular situation”. Without art there’s degeneracy.
I am not sure what you are implying. There will always be art. Art does not need to be a commercial success to be expressive.
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Artists need to eat.
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Art needs to be a commercial success to defend itself from commercial successes it hurts.
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Computing industry notably positions itself as replacing art (I don’t mean digital art like tracker music or 3d modeling), in many things where, say, car industry doesn’t. But the suggested replacements are not that. Similarly to how journalism can only be adversarial and offensive to most points of view, otherwise it’s just public relations, because it doesn’t improve anything. Improvement is always adversarial.
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If you’re a great artist who’s work does not exist in a commercial space (gallery or Facebook platform or website or whatever) and it gets thrown in a dump when you die, did it express anything at all?
I wonder … will it be another case of “Too Big To Fail” … or will it be … “Let The Market Decide”?
I’m guessing the answer depends on how many medals the CEO of Oracle can bestow upon the Orange.
Me … cynical … no … just been here for a while.
OpenAI’s mounting costs — set to hit $1.4 trillion
Sorry, but WTF!? $1.4 Trillion in costs? How are they going to make all of that back with just AI?
I think there’s only one way they can make this back: if AI gets so good they can really replace most employees.
I don’t think it will happen, but either way it’s going to be an economic disaster. Either the most valuable companies in the world, offering services that the next couple of hundred companies in the world depend on, are suddenly bankrupt. Or suddenly everybody is unemployed.
If LLMs fail and they invested: bailout
If LLMs succeed and they invested: rich
If LLMs fail and they passed: everyone else bailed out
If LLMs succeed and they passed: out of business
Therefore, the logical choice for a business is to invest in LLMs. The only mechanism to not do the stupid thing that everyone else is doing is gone.
Prediction: the bubble is real but financiers will find ways to kick the bull down the road until they can force enough adoption & ad insertion to not lose out. The other option is that we pay it, of course. Takes on which is worse?
They’ll do both just like they did in 2007/2008. These AI companies and their investors will get bailed out while the rest of us lose our jobs and have to move back in with our parents in the van they already live in.
Ok but if it gets so good it replaces all the employees, how do people have enough money to pay for their services?
Who cares about the money of people when they have all the money?
How are they going to make all of that back with just AI?
Government bailouts is how.
Socialism for the rich, dog-eat-dog capitalism for everyone else.
that’s what they got excited about, no doubt. profit would go through the roof if they could take people out of the loop. nevermind the economy.
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman declared a “code red” last week as the upstart faces greater rivalry from Google, threatening its ability to monetize its AI products and meet its ambitious revenue targets.
Interesting that even Sam Altman is worried now!
AFAIK there are also problems that Chinese companies have their own tool chain, and are releasing high level truly open source solutions for AI.Seems to me a problem for the sky high profits could be that it is hard to make AI lock in, like is popular with much software and cloud services. But with AI you can use whatever tool is best value, and switch to the competition whenever you want.
It’s nice that it will probably be impossible for 1 company to monopolize AI, like Microsoft did with operating systems for decades.
Please, government of the USA, do not bail them* out. At least not any more than what you’re already giving them.
* OpenAI
You clearly want the economy to collapse. The bailout will actually be profitable for the government. /s
Oracle doesn’t need a bailout, they are loaded, and can afford this loss. But of course an investment not being as profitable as they promised means the stock goes down. It’s not like the company is anywhere near being in trouble.
I don‘t know of a single
truly open source solutions for AI
from China. China doesn‘t seem very keen on open source as a whole to be honest. That is unless they can monetize on open source projects from outside of China. Their companies love doing that.
Your ignorance is not a valid point.
https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/
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DeepSeek being an LLM is far from open source and especially not „truly“ open. The very article you linked basically says as much but wraps it in pretty words. Talking about ignorance.
Yes I found out I was wrong, and I thought I had edited most of the wrong posts claiming deepseek is open source.
You are right it isn’t, despite articles claiming it is.
DeepSeek the software is open source.
It‘s open weights but definitely not
truly open source
Feel free to blame the technology as a whole but open source doesn‘t make exceptions for AI models.
Unless the dataset, weighting, and every aspect is open source, it’s not truly open source, as the OSI defines it.
The dataset is massive and impractical to share, and a dataset may include bias and conditions for use, and the dataset is a completely separate thing from the code. You would always want to use a dataset that fit your needs. From known sources. It’s easy to collect data. Programming a good AI algorithm not so much.
Saying a model isn’t open source because collected data isn’t included is like saying a music player isn’t open source, because it doesn’t include any music.EDIT!!!
TheGrandNagus is however right about the source code missing, investigating further, the actual source code is not available. and the point about OSI (Open Source Initiative) is valid, because OSI originally coined the term and defined the meaning of Open Source, so their description is per definition the only correct one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
Open source as a term emerged in the late 1990s by a group of people in the free software movement who were critical of the political agenda and moral philosophy implied in the term “free software” and sought to reframe the discourse to reflect a more commercially minded position.[14] In addition, the ambiguity of the term “free software” was seen as discouraging business adoption.[15][16] However, the ambiguity of the word “free” exists primarily in English as it can refer to cost. The group included Christine Peterson, Todd Anderson, Larry Augustin, Jon Hall, Sam Ockman, Michael Tiemann and Eric S. Raymond. Peterson suggested “open source” at a meeting[17] held at Palo Alto, California, in reaction to Netscape’s announcement in January 1998 of a source code release for Navigator.[18] Linus Torvalds gave his support the following day
no,
your changing the definition of open source software. which has been around a lot longer than AI has.
source code is what defines open source.
what deepseek has is open weights. they publish the results of their learning only. not the source that produced it.
your changing the definition of open source software.
https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/
The tide has turned. With the December 2024 launch of DeepSeek’s free-for-all V3 large language model (LLM) and the January 2025 release of DeepSeek’s R1 (the AI reasoning model that rivals the capabilities of OpenAI’s O1), the open-source movement started by Chinese firms has sent shockwaves through Silicon Valley and Wall Street.
And:
DeepSeek, adopting an open-source approach was an effective strategy for catching up, as it allowed them to use contributions from a broader community of developers.”
I’ve read similar descriptions in other articles, seems your claim is false.
EDIT PS:
Turns out on further investigation that Deepseek is NOT open source, there is NO access to the source code for Deepseek. Only the weights as others have rightfully claimed.can you show me the actual source code?
the human readable code, not the weights.
Alibaba has released Qwen models under Apache licenses (and they are some of the best models that can reasonably be ran locally). Some argue that models aren’t really open source unless the training code and datasets are made available though.
They are releasing lots of open weight models. If you want to run AI stuff on your own hardware, Chinese models are generally the best.
They also don’t care about copyright law/licensing, so going forward they will be training their models on more material than Western companies are legally able to.
Larry Ellison can fuck off while we’re at it, the meddling technofascist bastard. Hope he loses everything!
Pop it! Pop it! 💭
Do y’all think investors will wake up and realize that techbros are a bunch of fraudster scammers? Oracle deserves bankruptcy for being stupid with money. All my homies hate the AI-Bubble.
Bro even the way journalists talk about AI like it being a bet couldn’t be more obvious that it’s all a scam. If this AI-Bubble is profitable where are the actual god damn profits.
I imagine there’s quite a few who believe it a fraud but want to profit anyway.
That’s how every successful fraud works. If it’s not attractive to people who see it’s a fraud, it won’t have their support. If it’s hard to discover as a fraud, it’s also hard to maintain and always has the risk of discovery.
So the best frauds are those where everyone knows it’s a fraud, and plenty think it’s a fraud they can profit from.
They don’t want to wake up until they have something else more appealing to put their money on. They NEED something to invest. They don’t care what it is, or even if it works but it has to be plausible enough to make money, more money.
Until there is another scam to put their money in, they are stuck in the bubble, like us.
Oracle recently put out a ridiculously optimistic forecast that had them matching AWS within a handful of years. At first the market loved it.
Now I think people are beginning to realise that was a load of bollocks and that they were just overhyping the stock.
Good
Good.
Oracle can’t fail. It stores data for all the other fangs.
I’m gonna hack Oracle so I can find this one video I deleted from my Youtube channel
Go ahead.
