Assuming he’s right (and boy, being sued by apple is a huge boost to his credibility), they’re keeping the stupid camera bump thing from the air???
The camera bump sure isn’t going away for a folding phone. cameras have fundamental volume requirements to maintain quality, if they don’t think they can justify making the normal iPhone thick enough to enclose the camera then there’s no way in hell they’ll think the folding phones doubled width can include it, if anything you’d expect it to be more prominent on a folding model
how do you propose removing it?
there are two options, 1) using a smaller,shittier camera, or 2) making an extremely thick phone. neither option is very “apple”, especially for a flagship model.
considering the vast majority of people use phone cases and will never notice the bump anyway, i think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
making an extremely thick phone
lol how is 11mm extremely thick
how is it not?
You said so yourself.
If phone cases make the bump (and perceived problem) disappear, everyone must be using extremely thick phones already.
You can’t have both, not that I agree with 11mm being extremely thick anyway, case or not.
The marketing about it being an incredibly thin phone was a misstep - it just looked absurd to have such a chunky lump stuck onto it, and it felt very much like they were attempting a have cake / eat cake situation by claiming it had incredible camera stats (which werent very good) to justify the bump on an otherwise amazingly thin phone, and then that giant electronics bump had an external lens on it too.
Had it just been an ugly phone, I doubt it would have met with anywhere near the same criticism, but all the adcopy about how thin it was overtop of photos where you could see it had a giant lump on it felt really dishonest, and if this article is accurate it may count among the biggest apple flops ever.
(The thickness may just need to be accepted at this point. The S25 Ultra is 8.2mm, which is thinner than the Air if you include the bump. It seems like the camera wasnt the issue then, but that they hamstrung their design team with their drive for a thin phone. What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?)
What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?
People really don’t seem to understand that in the electronics world, one single millimeter can make worlds of difference.
You absolutely can cram so much more stuff in “dumber” electronics, but phones are even more constricted in design, because they need to send and receive signals of different types, so feedback and signal noise are concerns.
Adding in even slightly more space allows for much better design, because you have more tolerances to reduce signal noise. It allows dozens of wires for camera sensors to route better. A 20% longer battery life. Heck, just being slightly more ergonomic and less droppable is a bonus to slightly thicker phones.
I didn’t even consider signal noise until I got into fpv drones and rc stuff, it can mame a ton of difference if you have a single wire 2mm out of place. (and crash your drone because the motor interfered with your antenna)
Thiner≠better.
Wildly appropriate username here. Also, 100% correct.
are you talking about the Air? last time i checked all iphone models have a camera bump.
The marketing had nothing to do with it not selling. Pick one up, yeah it’s thin but it’s also a bar of soap to hold. Plus a ton of deal breaking trade off like less battery life and poor camera system compared to the alternative iPhone 17s/Pros.
Lol “extremely thick phone”. Get that apple boot, you got it to your gills this time. Only when it’s razor thin and cuts the hands of the unworthy will then your lust be satisfied.
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It does not surprise me that the Air is literally the folding phone without the second screen.
It slightly does me, given that the Air was (apparently) a huge commercial flop. You’d think they’d revisit the soundly mocked design instead of recycling it, or at least change it? The renders may very well be overstating it, of course, but still it’s an odd feature to carry over.
It was a flop because no one really wants thinner phones, they are harder to use. The iPhone Air was also extremely overpriced and missing basic features a phone a quarter of the price has.
Yes, those are all great points that make up a good portion of why they should probably revisit the design.
Or maybe stop trying to make expensive electronics as thin as possible.
Thin is fine. But you should use that newly free space for a bigger battery. It fits better in people’s hands that way too.
Exactly, and it’s easier to make them user serviceable that way too.
I’ve never understood the desire to make $1k+ electronics super thin, but then again I step on things a lot. I guess the fragility could be a form of planned obsolescence.
The stupid camera bump thing they totally didn’t steal from Google
Edit: Yes, I’m totally butthurt about that guys. Fuck Tim Apple!!11
are we really going to start counting who stole what in all smartphone design.
Idk, explaining how the crap iPhone is 99 % IP theft doesn’t really lead anywhere.
I sort of assumed that these days design patents are mostly ignored by smartphone companies.
After a while it just makes sense to drop the legal stuff and stop wasting money on constant lawsuits.
This folding iPhone also looks like the Pixel Fold
Breakthrough technology, never seen before in the mobile market. Apple, like always, surprises the word with the latest never seen before tech that will become mainstream in the near future, thanks to apple and its affordable pricing for everyday customers.
Now just slap that 2,5-3k RRP on the device and let it sell out in.
Apple is what we call “Sondermüll”.
I would like a feature where you fold an iphone into a linux phone.
Gonna need to ask santa for that next year ;) you juuust missed the cutoff.
I’m quietly praying a certain launch goes so we’ll we see a steam phone eventually.
I’m just looking for a device that can also perfectly hold my tacos
I mean, do they even have a case against them? It’s not like they stole the information, or signed a contract with Apple.
Also, fuck Apple, and Google, and the rest of them. If they can’t keep a lid on their “secrets”, that’s on them.
I’m focusing on the lawsuit part, because IDGAF about new phones.
I’m prone to believing that a lot of those things presented as “leaks” are actually the company in question doing it by themselves behind the curtains - because let’s face it - people want sensationalism and they won’t shut up about something like that.
Someone forgot an unreleased phone at a bar? I call bullshit.
There are a few people that Apple would love to delete from the face of the planet.
Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman, who’s consistently divulging Apple’s plans, is one. TF International Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who is always sharing information based on his supply chain checks, is high up on the list, too.
Apple uses Gurman for controlled leaks to build hype. He hasn’t been sued yet.
But YouTuber Jon Prosser is public enemy number one that Apple is trying to truly silence. And for good reason: the man who Apple sued in July for leaking iOS 26 and Liquid Glass keeps spoiling Apple’s unreleased products with high-quality 3D renders in his videos
Now Prosser, Apple definitely doesn’t use him for leaks since he is being sued. He’s just an idiot.
As if a foldable mobile was some kind of industry super secret anyway. Apple is a joke.
I like the idea of a foldable phone but what I really want is a phone that folds enough to fit in my women’s pants pockets.
Wait your pants have pockets and they’re not vestigial
Most of them are. I can really only carry things in back pockets, but then it makes sitting awkward.
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I can see you don’t spent much time with women.
Women aren’t choosing pants with shitty pockets intentionally.
I’m not in the same boat and don’t claim to be.
I use a phone with a keyboard attachment and thus my phone is too large to fit many man’s trouser pockets either.
So now when I shop for trousers, I intentionally check whether my phone fits the pockets and weigh large pockets over looks.
It would be interesting if there’s at least some women’s trousers with large enough pockets. If there are and women in large numbers actually buy these and reject small-pocket trousers no matter the looks, I think that could get some traction.
If there’s really not a single pair of trousers available, even via online shopping, that has decently sized pockets, then of course that wouldn’t work.
I would guess (and this is decidedly an uneducated guess based on maybe a dozen or so women I talked with about that topic), many women do dislike small pockets, but dislike bad style, bad fit or bad looks more.
There are a few companies that go out of their way to make pants for women with pockets. Nothing at any local retailer an it sucks to buy clothes online when you can try them on, especially since women’s sizing is an absolute nightmare.
I buy men’s work out clothes so I can have pockets when I’m lounging around the house.
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So we should just not wear pants until however long it takes to happen?
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You’re wrong about why women’s clothes don’t have pockets. Women were never given a choice to buy clothing with pockets.
Initially, pockets were not accessible in women’s clothing due to the layers they were required to wear. After the suffragette movement when liberated women began to wear pants, designers intentionally kept pockets small to prop up the purse industry.
Handbags are one of the most profitable items in the fashion industry.
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That is literally a Pixel Fold
Omg it is it even has the horrible curved screen and little notch. How could apple do this horrendous design. Oh wait they gave the notch.
Here we go again,apple gets another feature that’s been on the market for years and normies will cry innovation yet again.
The biggest problem with these is the price. Apple wants us on a two year upgrade cycle but these phones are $1500-2000. That’s insane.
He says potentially 2000-2500 for this one.
I just bought a 1-year-old phone I really like for $120
Remove the outside screen and all cameras and I’d be slightly more interested.
remove all the screens and the charging port and I’m sold.
Remove the whole phone and I’m touching grass
More of a fidget toy at that point. I’m in. I’d go as high as $8.
iPhones are too locked down for the hardware they have. I’m writing this on an iPhone 15 …
The foldable I like the most I’ve seen are the Motorola razrs. That’s vertical. The best fat foldables are going to be Android because of all the video game emulators for Android
I don’t understand the last sentence. All the video game emulators for Android compared to what OS? Because at this point, RetroArch emulates pretty much everything, and is available for Android and iOS. Running anything that needs hardware caching on iOS needs sideloading of course.
So what is it that makes the Android foldable experience better for emulators than, say, an iPad?
Interesting, didn’t hear of that yet. Apparently, Apple changed their stance on emulators in summer 2024. Before that they had emulators banned completely from the iOS store. Now it appears that they allow them, at least Retroarch.
Ewwwww
I really am interested in a folding phone, but i’m not comfortable with paying apple any new money if i can avoid it. I’ve completed my data migration off of iCloud and into self-hosted solutions, but i’m continuing to pay for iCloud until i’m confident i won’t somehow have issues with nextcloud and immich.
When my iPhone 14 Pro eventually fails to meet my needs, I’m planning on getting a Google Pixel 10 Pro Fold, not because Google is any better, I don’t want to be giving them money either, but it is compatible with GrapheneOS.
As with all hyped leaks- I’ll believe it when I see it.
