28 TB $449.99 Price per TB: $16.07
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Are we really sure that AI is not just used as a scape goat for companies to raise prices?
Why HDDs?
It’s a cascade effect. Memory pricing went up -> Increased price of SSD with DRAM cache -> Increased pricing of DRAM-less SSDs after demand shifted -> HDDs became significantly more cost effective again as a storage device but now the demand for them increased so price went up for them as well.
2 months ago I’ve got Samsung 990 EVO Plus 4TB for 235€ now that’s the price of 2TB and the 4TB is almost 400€.
I’ve got 8TB Seagate Exos 7E10 8TB for 182€ in May now it’s almost 260€.
We’re fucked…
if you are looking at this from the US that is not necessarily the only thing that could be driving prices up though. You’ve got tariffs and a much weaker dollar than it used to be right now…
US prices are just EU prices + sales tax now
Yeah right, if they’re buying thousands of terrabytes, I doubt they’re doing it in 1 TB HDD SATA drives.
The compone ts to make an HDD are almost the same though
I work at a data center, and there are indeed big arrays of 1 tb sata HDDs. Although this isn’t for AI, our main clients are local companies and healthcare
All prices have been fake since the bailouts started.
- want to make a server
- RAM and HDD prices spike
Fuck this
Proxmox cluster and shuck externals I started during the 2008 crash this is how I’d do budget HL
If it’s for a homelab or small project refurbished models are still a good deal but you should hurry, my vendor is running low on hardware that was sitting for years… I got an R630 (40 cores, 64Gb RAM) on offer a few months ago for peanuts…
I wonder what are peanuts in this context. It sounds like a great server!
honestly servers don’t need the latest hardware: just build using DDR4 (or even DDR3): it’s half the price per GB or less each step down, and honestly the biggest reason you want RAM in a server is for a ZFS cache, which is going to be bottlenecked on plenty of other things far before your RAM speed (IMO; i’ve done exactly 0 testing)
(though the max size of a DDR3 module is 8GB so on most consumer hardware that will limit you to 32GB total)
It still cost a lot compared to this summer :/
DDR4 RDIMM is like 4 times what it was this summer so even that won’t save you.
We’ve taken all the blame and put it on AI like it’s acting independently and appeared out of nowhere. This is global collusion to fuck the customers everywhere. It’s people doing this.
See? That’s why Satya Nadella doesn’t care about Windows. Soon nobody will be able to afford a PC anyways.
They want consumers to have cheap low-resource systems so they are forced to use the cloud for storage and processing.
Yes, all the power to do any form of large computation needs to be traceable and rented. You will own nothing, rent everything, and be happy with it.
And bow down to the subscription economy.
Bought a 12 TB data center drive that had 3 years of spin time on it for $94 August '24. When I check the eBay listing now I see it’s $220 😵
It keeps feeling like this bubble won’t pop and we’ll just keep riding upwards like the housing market
I don’t think this is sustainable because it seems like a closed loop that eventually stops making money without any new inputs.
People NEED housing, they don’t really need computer components.
When the bubble bursts, used computer components are going to be real cheap. Even just a few liquidated data centers will provide a ton of used supply. Even if they don’t part them up, that is still a bunch of supply that won’t be drawing on new supply.
Though that supply will be a bit annoying.
Oh look, super expensive GPUs… In an HGX board that is useless for even connecting to a PC, let alone have graphics.
Memory modules, but they are HBM or otherwise soldered to a Grace board…
SSDs, but EDSFF… Guess at least a cage for this could be some for home usage.
HDDs, but SAS. Not too or of reach for home builds, but still not as likely to just plug into home gear as SATA.
They will probably smash it all up and send it out as e-waste.
Or they will salvage what they can and sell it
Phew! I just bought three 16TB drives a couple of months ago for my jellyfin setup.
Selling them for $5000 each if anyone is interested.
Do we dare ask why you need 48TB to store media, or do we slowly back out of the room, avoiding eye contact?
I get 4k/8k quality everything if I can. Plus my fam can queue up downloads. I had 32TB but we’ve filled it up in 18 months. I now have a backup of the stuff I really like and a bit of room to grow. They keep downloading long running series one of them got project model or something, some food shows and a tattoo show.
They’re not the victims… WE ARE. They’re giving in to the tech bros idiocy and catering to their wishes. If they any ounce of dignity as a honorable brand, none of them would have risen their prices. There’s literally ZERO actual reason for them to do this other than tech bros rigging it against the rest of us.
I’ll just note there is still a loophole: external drives have sales in the $10-11/TB range, and you can shuck the drives.
Right now $280 for 26TB, for example: https://slickdeals.net/f/19091557-26tb-seagate-expansion-desktop-usb-3-0-external-hard-drive-280-free-shipping
That’s apparently CMR Barracuda inside.
These may disappear completely, or may simply be drives that AI data centers do not prefer permanently, since they are not rated for 24/7 use. Fine for RAID home server use, apparently, though
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We are spiraling towards a you own nothing and rent/subscription it all society.
Honestly. Tankie as hell to say this, but thank fuck for China providing cheap easy alternatives to mainstream hardware
So computer parts are just the new toilet paper then…
We will never be able to replace our old thinkpads
It’s been a while since I bought storage. $500 for 24TB seems like a steal to me. Not that I have any need for 24TB. Also, I don’t trust Seagate drives. I’d rather have four, 6TB drives than one 24TB drive, but that’s just experience talking–I’ve lost several drives over the years, and most of them were Seagate. YMMV.
Less than a year ago 279 was a baseline price for 24tb
Made me buy a used 10tb drive recently.
Screw them all, I will have a place for my data and I won’t pay them a dollar for these shenanigans.
I’ve got 30tb or so made up of 4 and 10tb used drives. All I’ll buy anymore. In fact, I need to change out of of my parity drives. Hopefully used market is still somewhat affordable.
I have four 8TB drives from last year and 4 externals from my old build that were healthy when they came off the last system.
I might be a little ragged in 10 years but I’ll still have a disk spinning if they aren’t arresting wireguard users for terrorism by then.
In my country I got used 10tb for $150. Don’t know situation in your place.
I used to pay like $69 for them in the US. Looks like they add a hundred bucks or so to the price…
Quickly checking eBay, they now cost around $120-150 for SATA and around $100-130 for SAS in the US
Thanks, I’ll look there. I usually just go Amazon or Newegg (easy returns if bad) but I’m sure there are better deals out there.
Time to buy some sbc boards so I can actually host content in ten years, with whoever’s software considering the foss devs will be broke.
Thank fuck I’m a millennial and I only have thirty more years on the disappointment machine.
If you’re under 30, learn how to shoot. You won’t be doing much hosting.
But what if my cannibal raider gang’s members need a scalable, high availability image and video storage solution for their family albums?
