It’s about time the electronics industry as a whole realises that innovation for the sake of innovation is rarely a good thing
It’s not even innovation, per say. It’s just Big Number Go Up.
Nobody seems to want to make a TV that makes watching TV more pleasant. They just want to turn these things into giant bespoke advertising billboards in your living room.
Show me the TV manufacturer who includes an onboard ad blocker. That’s some fucking innovation.
The galaxy brain move is buying an old dumb tv for a pittance and use it for watching Jellyfin/Plex/stream from a browser with uBlock Origin/DNS filtering – all running on some relative’s “obsolete” smart toaster from last year that they happily gift you because “the new version’s bagel mode IS LIT – pun intended – but it needs the 128 gb DDR7 ram of the new model, can barely toast on the old one any more”.
FireWire got killed too soon.
Too right, brother
deleted by creator
Innovation is good. That being said, slapping “AI”, “Smart” or more pixels is the opposite of innovation. Innovation is something new, out of the box. 1080p > 4k > 8k is logical progression.
There’s no 8k content, and only recently do standard connectors support 8k at high refresh rates.
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.
Honestly a little surprised the IMAX guys didn’t start churning out 4k+ content given that they’ve been in the business forever.
But I guess “IMAX in your living room” isn’t as sexy when the screen is 60" rather than 60’
You don’t even need IMAX for 4K; ordinary 35mm film can normal scan to a nice 4K video. Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.
The digital IMAX projections were actually a step backwards in resolution.
Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.
Sure. But the cameras exist. You can use them for other stuff.
Hateful Eight was filmed in 70mm, and while it wasn’t Tarantino’s best work it certainly looked nice.
65mm is a gulf from 15/65 though. Much harder to shoot in IMAX format.
IMAX is a mess. They can’t even figure out a consistent aspect ratio, so most of the content shot on IMAX is cropped after delivery.
They don’t want IMAX in your living room, they want IMAX in the IMAX theater, where you pay a premium for their service.
IMAX is 4K or less content. Its edge is special projection that can look good and brighter on huge screens.
Only imax film prints are significantly better than anything else
deleted by creator
Preach. I got gifted a 4k bluray player and was absolutely blown away by how good it looks compared to streaming.
Which makes sense because even 1080p streaming is garbage compared to blu-ray.
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.
Ironically there actually is if you bother pirating content because that’s the only crowd that will share full 4k Dolby Vision + Dolby Atmos/DTS-X BluRay rips.
Aside from that though, even 4k gaming is a struggle because GPU vendors went into the deep end of frame generation, which also coincidentally is the same mistake lots of TV OEMs already made.
There is a lot 4K to consume now. That was the reality 5 years ago (even 4K exists more than 10). I would say 4K is becoming slowly the new FHD, but very very slowly.
The problem is that there is a lot low quality 4K, because of bandwidth, size etc.
I feel like most streaming platforms plan lock it and still compress it to crap though.
Real innovation:
Want us to put your show back on? Yes? Then read the following aloud 5 times while slapping your face continuously: “I am sofa king, stupid”.
I am Sofa King, we Todd Ed
Drink verification can!
Praise be to Goofy.
What about Dairy Queen?
Gaming was supposed to be one of the best drivers for 8K adoption.
Whu? Where 4k still struggles with GPU power? And for next to no benefit?
What’s dumb is that 3D failed because of lack of resolution and brightness, and now we have more pixels than we can handle and screens so bright they can hurt to look at. PS3 had a couple games that showed different screens to two players wearing 3D glasses. I’d love to see full screen couch coop games with modern tech. 8K isn’t solving any problems.
Screen dimming is technically possible over HDMI/Displayport no idea why its not properly supported and integrated into monitors, graphics drivers, windows and Linux. KDE shows dimming for monitors sometimes? Don’t know if that is software or real hardware dimming though.
It’s real hardware dimming.
Nice thought so but wasn’t sure.
I’m talking about brightness in context of 3d. KDE uses DDE with USB connected monitors which is the same thing as using a button to lower brightness.
Introducing the new DLSS 9, were we upscale 720p to 8k. Looks better than native, pinky swear.
Yeah, can’t run it, Internet too slow to steam it
8k would be cool to display lots of windows at the same time but fairly useless for gaming.
Everything above 1440p isn’t offering any display space. I have a 4K monitor but 150% DPI is needed to make things big enough to work with.
I’m using a 5k by 1200 monitor and it’s awesome with Kde. I suppose it would be equally great with other interfaces.
With 100% DPI?
Sure, native resolution, no zoom, it’s fine.
Not so on my laptop with an insane resolution of like 2k by 3k on a 13 or 14 inch screen though.
What do you mean 2k by 3k? And 5k by 1200? 4K is a resolution of 3840 × 2160. 1440p is normally 2560 × 1440.
My 4K monitor ( 3840 × 2160) is 27 inches and with 100% DPI is not usable. Resolution is 4K only bigger UI. (150%, which is as if I had 1440p).
The 5k monitor is a 49 inch model from MSI. The laptop is a compact model from Lenovo, a Yoga Pro something or other. Not sure what its resolution is (3k something by 2k something from what I remember), just that it’s needlessly high for its screen size, requiring UI scaling.
Depends on the usecase (how far away your eyes are) and how big the display is (again, how far away). TV is far away, has ideally 50 to 70" but low dpi. Computer display is good around 30 to 40" (would need to move your head otherwise, wasted money), maxes out at around 4k. Notebook 10 to 20", high dpi, 2k is good enough. While a phone has very high dpi, but 5 to 7" and around 1k resolution.
Pretty sure my GPU could run 4k Rimworld, just play good games instead of AAA games.
But we are talking TV. RPG with a controller is more suitable here. And there are some great RPG games.
FR. What distance and size do I need to be able to actually see the difference between 1080p and 4K? Cuz my current setup does not allow me to notice anything but the massive reduction in performance, unless it’s a 2D game and then everything becomes too tiny to effectively play the game.
It’s very noticeable at the DPI of a 27" screen from arms’ length. Or maybe not if you can’t see very well. But on a TV from 10 feet away, I dunno if I could differentiate 1440p from 4K personally.
I have 27 inch 2k monitors at work, and it’s already enough
27" 2K is a good DPI. I personally only went up to 4K 27" because I also wanted OLED, and the 2K OLED panel I was using had some noticeable text fringing because of the subpixel layout. At 4K it’s not noticeable anymore.
I’m using a 60 inch tv as a monitor to my desktop - I sit in front of it at a distance of about 2m. It feels really nice to have stuff in 4k, so it’s always 4k except the games that are too tough for my 2060 super to give me 60p.
It’s about 60”. That’s the point where we noticed pixels at 1080P. HDR is more important.
For PC you can actually see the benefit between 4K and lower resolutions.
It’s for TV where it’s likely useless to have 8K
I am on a PC… You mean a smaller monitor closer to my face?
Yes, that’s what I am saying, for a monitor you can easily see the difference between 4K and lower. While for a tv if I remember correctly for a 55’ over 2 meters and something from the TV you can’t tell the difference between 4k and 1080p
I want a dumb tv with the price and and specs of a smart tv. Less is more
You would likely have to pay more since they aren’t getting to sell your information.
*you would have to pay more because major companies know they can charge more. There isn’t a limited amount of profit a company wants to mae, and then they pick a price from that, they price it as high as the market will bear.
I second this.
The TV industry can crash and burn otherwise.
Realistically, not only do I not want an 8k tv, but I might not get a tv at all, if I had to do it today. We rarely watch tv anymore. The brainrot is the same but we’re much more likely to use individual screens
My LG C3 not connected to internet and using an HTPC and Nvidia shield is working great so far.
I don’t know why more people don’t do this. Don’t connect the TV to the Internet. Ever. Do updates using a flash drive if you must and connect whatever flavor streaming box you like. The TVs and their dumb os get slow and shitty anyway so why fuck around with it? Lol.
Ppl spend so much time fucking around with Android slop boxes and I’m just like…how is using a full fat linux desktop PC under the TV with a wireless trackpad keyboard clunky? Set display scale to 200%, install Stremio, and now you can game and shitpost on your couch too as a bonus.
It’s mostly because all the streaming services won’t give you higher res and HDR unless you’re using one of the boxes. You don’t need the slop tho. Nvidia shield imo has been solid for over a decade now. I’m over fire TV and those cheap shitty no name boxes are even worse. I have no idea why people fuck with those. Even a fire TV is better than that lol.
I fucking love my C3. Also not connected to the internet. It’s gorgeous.
OLED and 4k is where it’s at.
They showed Skyfall on 70ft IMAX screens, and that film was shot 2880 x 1200. Its not all about the pixel count.
Meanwhile I’m still at 1080p and most content I watch not even that.
Same. My TV is capable of it, but I stream everything off of Jellyfin to a RasPi 5 running Kodi. It just plays. As long as it’s not 480p, I’m happy.
My Internet is so bad that I still often watch YouTube/Nebula at 360p or even 240p. I almost never go above 720p.
Even if it was, the streamings everyone’s using crush down the bitrate so bad it’d barely look better than 4k anyway.
Yeh, do: 60fps, 30 bit color… and I guess HDR?
Do things that people can actually appreciate.
And do them in the way that utilises the new tech. 60fps looks completely different from 24fps… Work with that, it’s a new media format. Express your talentSorry, the best I can do is install a camera and microphone on our next model, to spy on you and force interaction with advertisements.
I mean video conferencing from your living room. How neat is that?
Plot twist: because all we need is 16K.
640K ought to be enough for anyone
CRT is the future!
TV manufacturers salivated at the idea of TV resolution, hoping desperately to turn the TV market into something like the PC market, in that you have to upgrade every 5ish years to stay on top of technology and use the latest stuff to artificially increase sales beyond what their already abysmal build qualities provide them.
I’m glad the plan is failing spectacularly.
Hopefully this forces them to think more about quality and start focusing on TVs that actually last now… You know, like we used to have 30 years ago.
start focusing on TVs that actually last now…
That only makes their “people need to refresh their sets for our bottom line” even worse for them.
BTW, 30 years ago TVs were expensive and still failed. There was a viable TV repair industry because it was worth spending the money to repair and easier to repair.
Anecdotally, my Plasma and my LCDs have been more problem free than when my family had CRT TVs back in the day.
Yeah, exactly. TVs were better back then. they were more durable (The Wiimote accidents would never send a CRT to the dump), and actually repairable.
and they lasted decades. Hell, I’ve seen people find CRT TVs found abandoned in fields for years and bring them back with minimal effort.
as long as the tube/neck of a CRT is intact, it will run/be repairable.
I have an fairly high end TV and honestly I don’t know what the point is because there is virtually no content that’s available for it.
Pretty much none of the streaming services go beyond 4K and often they’re at 1080p and I have to upscale to 4K. Consoles also don’t go above that 4k and again often in fact don’t even hit that.
Pfff, they’ve just turned to adware-laden boxes. Next they’ll make up some BS about requiring the device to be Internet connected so you can’t disable ads too easily.
That’s a big part of enshitification: maximizing profit at the sacrifice of product quality. All of those pro-capitalist folk want you to believe the market will correct itself. The problem is when the entire market is dominated by this mentality and anyone (doing anything different) tries to enter that market is snuffed out immediately. None of the major brands will stray from this model because they are completely and hopelessly servant to the shareholder, and all that matters to them is maximizing profits at any cost. Yay enshitification!
Yep, and that added complexity to make a dumb TV smart, just means theres more parts that are likely to die and make ethe TV not work.
Its bullshit that the only way to get large dumb TVs anymore is to roll the dice on a Scepter… Which, given how they procure their screens, could either give you a great TV or a shit TV.
For the majority of people a 1080p60 with a high bitrate and 10+ bit color space will look absolutely perfect. Some can pixel peep and tell, but more people still struggle seeing when the aspect ratio is wrong on their TV.
I mean, if someone can’t tell when a circle is an oval, it’s the person that is the problem
Last I heard that’s close to 50% of the consumers.
Working in entertainment and broadcasting, you learn barely half of Americans have a 4K tv and it’s under half worldwide. Marketing makes you think that “everyone is doing it”
Most enterprise places are 1080p default and reqi people to go above and beyond to justify 4k screens.
Then we get into laptop’s still barely going about 720p so a lot of people have no idea what 4k would even bring them as even most streaming content still only in 1080 so not really noticeable for those who even have 4k screens
I’m still using a 1080p TV and I only plan to replace it if it breaks.
If you do, smart TVs are dumb and forgot how to TV
I’ve never felt the need to go 4k either. I’m totally content to buy 1080p 144hz+ monitors for $100.
