Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
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It’s honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
Because so many keep getting told it’s by tankies and stop thinking immediately after that
Deb’s a tankie with the most bullshit oppinions ever seen on earth.
Not true.
I am unreasonably angry about the stretched icons.
Hey, hey you.
Get some.
It makes it look like a shitpost at a glance lol
Maybe add Matrix as a Discord alternative?
The Element application is solid now. Still I think it’d be a rough transition for most discord users. But more users probably means more potential for developer interest
The Element application is solid now.
Eh, kind of. I have almost 300 unread message notifications I cannot get rid of. I have scrolled up as far as I can then slowly back down. I have gone into threads and done the same.
Last time I checked theirs still no channels ? Discoverability is not really their ethier only active one I really found was the monero one
It now has workspaces (it’s called servers in Discord) and there you can have chats, which are basically channels like in Discord.
Fair point,
I omitted Facebook in my image because fuck that kind of social media (my opinion)
I picked PieFed over Lemmy because UX is everything and currently PieFed has much better UX.
Fuck that kind of social media but tiktok and Instagram are better???
Please add chess.com → lichess
Should be Lemmy over piefed.
I’ve seen the Reddit users be more receptive of PieFed over Lemmy. In a post suggesting Lemmy, the Reddit users will just comment that it looks ugly, it’s confusing, devs are tankies, etc. Posts suggesting PieFed get less complaints and more signups.
Also I think the instance choice is easier for PieFed compared to Lemmy. If you tell people to use Lemmy, they’ll probably end up on lemmy.world which is overpopulated, or lemmy.ml…
Instead of recommending Lemmy in general, you should recommend a specific instance which matches the audience. For example someone posted about piefed.ca in /r/BuyCanadian. Or you can link to a different frontend like vger.app.
I did make a redesign to join-lemmy.org recently so that new users can reach the registration page with a single click. I am also curious about any suggestions you have to improve the onboarding.
join-lemmy.org looks much improved now! And yes linking directly to an instance is the way to go, I would’ve put URLs in this promotional image instead of just names
I’m not sure if I have any specific ideas at the moment. It’s possible Lemmy has just reached a saturation point with Reddit where the people still on Reddit are the ones who bounced off Lemmy before, so they won’t give it another chance anytime soon, but they haven’t tried PieFed yet. Maybe the optimal strategy is to cycle between the recommendations to catch everyone with whatever suits them best. I think we should also try changing out the Mastodon recommendation and see if something else catches people who haven’t already switched to Fediverse microblogging.
I think PieFed’s idea of asking new users what they want/don’t want to see is a good idea.
I made a couple of “Help Design Lemmy” posts in !lemmy@lemmy.ml recently to get feedback and ideas, which was very helpful. I will continue to make such posts to improve join-lemmy.org, and also Lemmy itself.
Had a look at the Piefed signup now, choosing categories like that is a good idea. But the question is how these categories get curated. We have something similar with the instance topics on join-lemmy.org but no one is really helping to maintain them. So for community categories it would probably similar. In 1.0 we will have some improvements for discovery, like multi-communities and a “suggested communities” collection which can be set by local admins.
For the Mastodon recommendation there isnt any good alternative software that I can see. So its probably best to recommend a single Mastodon instance, depending on the target audience.
That person was me.
I’ve promoted Lemmy in the past only to be met with comments complaining about the ‘dogshit UX’ and tankeis.
So I switched to promoting PieFed instead, and have had no such complaints.
And so you decided to spread that misinformation further, instead of simply replying that it is wrong? I’m also very curious in what ways you consider Piefed’s UI better than Lemmy.
Good UX is all about removing friction and making users have to click less and think less.
Users these days are expect their hands to be held and things to just work, that sadly is just the reality.
Let me start off with saying, I started on Lemmy and even donated to Lemmy, PieFed can only grow because it’s standing on the shoulders of giants (lemmy)
My alt is AnonomousWolf, you can look it up, since I joined I complained about bat UX, but people told me to GTFO. PieFed fixes many of those issues I complained about.
Let me do a quick test and walk you through my thought possesses and UX. I’ll make 2 comments in this post, one for lemmy.ml one for piefed.social
– open https://lemmy.ml/
– met with a list of posts, most images too small for me to see or read.
– click on first post so that I can see the image - https://lemmy.ml/post/42503928 – taken to a page where I still can’t see the image I clicked to see – Click on the image, now I can see it.– See some comments
– now I need to click back to continue– see another interesting post, image to small, can’t see so I have to click – https://lemmy.ml/post/42501566
– Still can’t see image so I click on the image – now I’m taken to https://mecha.so/comet#overview
– WTF, why am I on a different site? Why am I here,where are the comments – Realisze I can’t distinguish between Image posts and Links to a different site. – Why is this so confusing to browse?Sounds like you are specifically looking for a client focused on image browsing. In that case I would suggest linking to vger.app, phtn.app or blorp which I linked in another comment. Lemmy 1.0 will also have a card view which admins can set as default, where images are already expanded.
see another interesting post, image to small, can’t see so I have to click – https://lemmy.ml/post/42501566
This is only the link preview (indicated by the arrow icon), not an image post. Is the icon too small?
– open https://piefed.social/ – met with some interesting image from c/selfhosted
–keep scrolling – some news articles, not really my vibe– keep scrolling – cut cat picture from c/cat – keep scrolling
– some meme about cars and fuck Trump, cool – keep scrolling – more memes and cats, keep scrolling – this keeps happening, doezens of more memes and cats – repeat
– bunch of posts I don’t have to click to open, I can see the image clearly and what’s happening
– interesting but I can just keep scrolling – bottom of the pace, have to click next– more semi interseting things
– keep scrolling, click next again– eventually find something interesting enough to interact with and leave a comment, of move on.
Review of the two experiences:
With PieFed I can just keep scrolling without needing to click. Things just work and are where I expect them to be (based on pas UX experiences (reddit)) I can see way more content without ever getting confused or needing to click or make decisions, making me stay curious and engaged. Where as with Lemmy I very quickly got frustrated and confused, making me want to abandon ship and do something else, and I’m way way way more resilient than the vast majority of users
Not everyone likes infinite scroll, but some apps such as vger.app offer it.
This is why I stopped promoting Lemmy and switched to PieFed.
UX is everything, and Lemmy UX sucked. The default UX (for your average user) is dog shit.
People want ‘it just works’ and PieFed offers that more than Lemmy does.
Thanks! I personally think as long as people land in the fediverse, its going to be ok. But its cool to give some highlights to piefed.
Also congrats on making a “controversial” post! Thats how you know its good :D
Yeah but this is like when Disney makes star wars tv shows. Ignore what the current audience likes and use the show as a vehicle to try and tell them what they should like.
I didnt think they could do worse than Discovery but the Academy is incredibly bad. On the plus side, Im rewatching Deep Space Nine again.
And BlueSky over Mastodon
Isn’t lemmy the reddit of the fediverse?
Lemmy and Piefed are both Reddit alternatives. I’m not sure what all the pros and cons are of each, but Lemmy’s developers are tankies so probably better to direct users and funding to a different project. I’m only on Lemmy because I wasn’t aware of Piefed when I first joined.
What’s the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?
Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn’t have:
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
https://join.piefed.social/features/
Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don’t have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
Piefed seens to have a lot of issues baked into the code
Create a PR and fix it.
Lol, why? I don’t use Piefed and besides, I work on my own open source project.
But seriously, why would I contribute to a project I don’t use and have no association with?
Because it would address what you talk about above. You dont like it, fix it. Ive done it on quite a few fedi services, its not terribly hard. It makes the world just a tiny bit better.
Are these features available on mobile apps? Because I mostly use Lemmy on Jerboa
And it works really well :)
Piefed has been a great experience.
How can I pick which piefed server doesn’t have the social credit score enabled?
I recommend MULTIVERSE, the anarcho-antirealist PieFed server. We have a karma system the same as Reddit, which you’re used to, and we don’t do any extra processing of the score. Some PieFed sites ignore karma earned on meme communities to prevent repost farming, but on MULTIVERSE, we just look at upvotes - downvotes, and unlike Reddit, your karma score means absolutely nothing for your ability to post on communities.
Does it still prevent people from replying to people that blocked them so the conversation can continue without the blocker?
They are similar platforms and they federate, i.e. you can see all Lemmy content with a Piefed account and vice versa.
piefed isn’t made by tankies
It’s made by feds.
wait are you sure? there was a lemmy admin talking about how the software is authoritarian and has a “social credit score” that sounds like what a tankie would put in
You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?
I wonder if they mean the genocide-denying lemmy admin or the transphobic lemmy admin. It’s easy to mix those two guys up
Excuse me that’s transphobic and covid denying.
Oh boy oh boy, I think I’m about to receive a fun link with more Nutomic bad takes
I am really curious, who is it that goes around and slanders me behind my back? Why do they care so much what a random person on the internet says? And these are just some casual comments in an obscure online forum. Does this individual not have work to do, or friends to spend time with instead of this? So feel free to send me a private message with the username who sends these links.
Bullshit, you are lying.
Even your chief propagandist agrees that you’re deplorable.
No this person: https://feddit.dk/u/SorteKanin
I think I understand now and it is clear I need to make a new account on piefed
PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, topics (groups of communities that can be made by users, helps to browse all comms related to a topic) automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.
And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there’s an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.
Because I’m sure “they’ll” come and rage here once they see this post I’ll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they’ve got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.
And also most of the things you said are simply wrong.
Any PieFed user can confirm the features are correct.
I could go digging through posts to find your well documented history of it, but I’ll quote your guy here because I have this on hand already and any ml user is going to trust their word.
Dessalines has a whole link spam dedicated to genocide denial and spreading Russian propaganda on Ukraine.
Or do you mean posting the previous thread on the brigading hatejerk comm?
Nice screenshot by the way, which leaves out 90% of the actual comment. Link for comparison. I wont even get into the other deceptions, you really are true to your name.
The rest of the comment isn’t about you, so why would I include it?
What a deceptive reply you’ve made trying to frame it as if I left out information that reflected differently on you.
Ah yes because one sentence by someone you dislike is enough basis to judge a different person that you dislike. Why dont you do something useful with your live, instead of hating on people who actually create something useful?
One sentence literally saying your views on the subject are deplorable are great evidence of your shitty views when that person is one of the most trusted figures in your instance.
Why do you think anything about Rimu not liking tankies validates your deplorable views? That was clearly an attempt at deception.
All the people upvote you, it’s only “them” who downvote you. You have a clear picture of the world around you!
I said nothing about votes.
I’m talking about the hatejerk comm where they brigaded from the last time this image was posted and spammed it with misinformation.
Ew gross, fuck tankies. I’m really confused so both lemmy and piefed are tankie-adjacent?
No, Lemmy is fine. We may have our personal opinions on our things, but we never let them affect our work. A lot of admins and contributors also keep an eye on it. If you dont like how moderation works on a particular Lemmy instance, you can find a dozen other instances with different rules. As developers we could not even ban the clowns on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if we wanted.
but you do ban users who are from !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
No, only Lemmy.
Piefed was created because users weren’t happy that the developers spend more time arguing on tankie talking points and censoring dissent than developing Lemmy.
https://join.piefed.social/features/
And it’s not being developed by tankies.
Also, to avoid doing unpaid labour for Jeff Bezos, go from Goodreads to Bookwyrm!
Bookwyrm is cool, it just needs more attention and interaction. It would be cool if it could expand into other forms of media (games, movies) like NeoDB, which again feels like posting into the void.
I’m a little behind on this, what does goodreads have to do with bezos?
In 2013 Goodreads was sold to Amazon 😭
It’s impressive how Goodreads has been owned by 10+ years by the company with the largest cloud infrastructure and supposedly great engineers, and still it loads like shitty personal blog from the 2000s. It’s pretty obvious it was just bought so they could redirect traffic to Kindle store, just like IMDB redirects to Amazon Prime.
As pointed out, Goodreads has been owned by Amazon for a good while. And they also own slices of some other similar book sites (LibraryThing, for example, and some other site that was merged into Goodreads).
There’s also StoryGraph - it’s not federated, but ran by a tiny UK company, but seems pretty popular. I like the content warnings feature and stuff like readers rating the pacing and moods of the books, which is then displayed with graphs on the book page, but they have also introduced some AI features :/ (fortunately opt-in)
TikTok -> driving rusty nails through your nipples
Peertube isn’t really a viable alternative. There isn’t a substantial enough audience for creators and there isn’t really enough content for an audience. I guess if you’re one of the 100 people watching transport evolved that’s cool but it isn’t really a meaningful alternative. I suppose it could be supplementary, but why would creators want to drive their traffic to a site that doesn’t actually matter for their visibility? I imagine the same probably applies to loops.
Also, like, with video you kind of want a reliable host that you know isn’t going anywhere.
The rest are okay as long as you’re not super worried about how many people are seeing what you post. Lemmy and Piefed are great for content aggregation and discussion, but they seem to be the only ones that at this point actually do anything that might be helpful.
I’ve tried Mastodon and while it’s way better than Twitter it isn’t exactly providing a way to reach a substantial audience. Personal websites are probably a better bet for ease of access.
For most other formats, everyone creates and shares: photos, posts, sharing links. For more crafted video material, there’s too much of an imbalance between the number of watchers vs creators to make a new platform an easy sell. You’d need a strong creator promise like Nebula.
Yeah, agreed. The one thing the platforms you see that aren’t YouTube that creators actually use have in common is financial incentive. Nebula is the best example here. Creators get a cut and have more creative freedom, so they actually use it and try to direct their audience to it for bonus content, which seems to actually work. Patreon is similar for a lot of creators, letting them put out additional content with fewer restrictions and letting them get more income from their viewers.
Some people also seem to have some success with independent platforms. If you look at like a Dropout or Viva Plus, these are both putting stuff out on YouTube and then drawing users in with subscriptions, and that seems to be a sound model.
But Peertube produces zero dollars for creators, which means they have no incentive to push users there. In fact, they’re incentivized to avoid doing so because there are other platforms that will actually pay them if they can direct traffic there. Peertube lacks both the money-making side of things and the exposure side of things, so there’s no real reason to use it.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see something independent like Peertube take off, but the model doesn’t really work.
But you can have metrics with subscriptions/likes/comments and you could get revenue through sponsorship. Also it would avoid censorship.
My main issue with peertube is that I find it confusing. Its not self contained in the sense on how to subscribe to channels or people. AFAIK you also need a mastodon account for it and to jump through some hoops to subscribe to a creator.
You don’t need a mastodon account, you can have a peertube account but finding an instance with open registration and that integrates sepia (the peertube fediverse search engine) isn’t straightforward. You can try peerate.fr
I’m 1 foot out of Reddit
Since your Lemmy account is only 3 days old, I would recommend switching over to PieFed. It’s a much nicer experience and federates with all the same servers that Lemmy does, so you’re seeing the same posts but in a better way. You’re on lemmy.zip, and the same devs run piefed.zip.
With a little curation of your community subscriptions, you can get a very similar experience to Reddit but better.
All the proposed services/technologies would benefit the wider consumer base and the user but switching is too big an ask for many people. We need to encourage people into using “as well as” the global defaults. That will build the network effects that lower the cost of fully switching
An easier and bigger immediate impact would come from people replacing Chrome and google search with respectful alternatives, and/or replacing gmail or outlook with private services like proton or tuta.
Starve the surveillance machines a little bit.Look, I’m looking at reddit posts about niche stuff like a fiend. But when I make a post, I always go here first
I’ve switched, but I haven’t stopped searching old reddit posts. The cache of information is just too rich to pass up.
It’s all about mindset. I’m all in fediverse, despite actually using reddit sometimes. Switching doesn’t mean blocking the entire website
can anyone eli5 what the difference is from piefed to lemmy? i have a lemmy account, do i have a use for a piefed accnt too?
To me. It’s the same thing but PieFed has better UX and more featues.
Which one you pick is for the most part irrelevant.
thanks for the input. im gonna chekc out piefed
What’s the difference between Lemmy and piefed, and why should be choose one over the other?
To users they’re both mostly the same but PieFed has more features and a much better UX, so it’s the one I choose to promote.
I’m not sure about the better UX. Take a look at the recent code analysis: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23662293
I think the current behavior is very confusing. Unless you’re an instance admin, you don’t know whether these features are enabled or not.
I’m having troubld findinv good peertube instances, anyone have any recs?
That’s because there aren’t any, at least none that could even remotely compete with YouTube.
https://tilvids.com/ isn’t horrible, but you have to go in with an open mind
I’ll try it out!
