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Discord announced on Monday that it’s rolling out age verification on its platform globally starting next month, when it will automatically set all users’ accounts to a “teen-appropriate” experience unless they demonstrate that they’re adults.
Users who aren’t verified as adults will not be able to access age-restricted servers and channels, won’t be able to speak in Discord’s livestream-like “stage” channels, and will see content filters for any content Discord detects as graphic or sensitive. They will also get warning prompts for friend requests from potentially unfamiliar users, and DMs from unfamiliar users will be automatically filtered into a separate inbox.
Direct messages and servers that are not age-restricted will continue to function normally, but users won’t be able to send messages or view content in an age-restricted server until they complete the age check process, even if it’s a server they were part of before age verification rolled out. Savannah Badalich, Discord’s global head of product policy, said in an interview with The Verge that those servers will be “obfuscated” with a black screen until the user verifies they’re an adult. Users also won’t be able to join any new age-restricted servers without verifying their age.
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Badalich also says after the October data breach, Discord “immediately stopped doing any sort of age verification flows with that vendor” and is now using a different third-party vendor.
Oh thanks, it’s fixed
The ID is immediately deleted. We do not keep any information around like your name, the city that you live in, if you used a birth certificate or something else, any of that information.
Suure
If this was true, then they would have no problem with agreeing to paying us $50 mil each in the event of a data breach, since it could never happen, right?
None of the companies pulling this shit are offering a good enough product to be worth it.
People love sharing porn in discord tho. That’s why this is happening.
No. That’s the excuse for why it’s happening.
Ok, let’s say it is. They just want to invade our privacy. Now set that aside.
On a separate topic: What’s an alternative solution for the “there’s porn on the playground” problem that discord has? They are participants in it, they are facilitators. They shouldn’t be immune. Giving platforms a pass on things like this is pernicious. Giving platforms a pass is why Elon Musk thinks he can get away with CSAM generators.
I’m sorry are we putting aside biometric infomation being aggregated across multiple platforms and assigned to browsing habits so that governments know exactly where you’re browsing at any single moment?
Are we just putting that aside???
If discord can’t handle it don’t blame me. I mean what even is this point???
I’m not putting it aside to dismiss the idea that it’s bad. I was doing so just for the sake of conversation. You’re really overreacting to conversation.
This age verification stuff is an invasion of privacy, and we should have a better answer to the claims that it is the only way to put in protection on the platform side. “Parents” is not the answer to the platform’s responsibility here as a facilitator who profits from facilitating.
Age verification systems are invasive and harm privacy AND it’s weird that we think platforms should be all ages with no serious/effective barriers. It’s weird that we just act like there is no solution, and bemoan parents.
I was quite clear about switching the topic focus.
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I don’t disagree. We need better tools for this.
The problem is making sure these tools are not used as tools of the state for tracking.
Boycott the platform. No one’s gonna rescue the end user anymore. There’s no more oversight. Remove yourself from the ecosystem and encourage healthier alternatives.
Parents should try parenting for once instead of relying on the government to (use them as a thinly veiled excuse to) implement draconian monitoring on their populace.
Why do that when government and corporations can do it for them? It’s going to be their kids / property anyway.
Right, it’s weird that parents let kids play on platforms that have porn on them. Something needs to be done, maybe we should go after the parents instead.
Or is the answer just saying parents should do something and then do nothing? We need a clever solution that does not involve sharing proof of identity… any ideas? Banning adult content completely would work too.
Why doesn’t twitter have to do this?
Because Elon Musk loves mixing kids and porn.
Edit: it’s so fucking stupid and contradictory that this comment has upvotes and my other comments in this thread don’t.
They all say the same thing. Mixing kids and porn is weird. Discord mixes kids and porn too. Elon just enjoys it.
And he’s politically connected enough to get away with it. Discord isn’t
He likes his Twitter users how he likes his scotch.
Russian, computerized, and fake?
12 years old and mixed up with coke.
The day an app/service (be it Discord or anything else) asks me to upload my ID, is the day my account gets deleted.
Thank you for your account deletion request. For your safety, we have to confirm you are the owner of the account you are trying to delete. Please upload your government ID below.
Time for me to review Revolt Chat again to see what has updated.
Wow, apparently they change their name entirely. I am way behind
It’s Stoat now! https://stoat.chat/
I recently joined! It’s very close to Discord.
Anyone else not receiving the verification email? Doesn’t seem to work for me.
I think it took a long time for me the first time. They seem way smaller than Discord, so I imagine they don’t have the fastest infrastructure. Also, I signed up with a non-gmail account and their verification email did make it through eventually.
Wow! I had checked these guys out a long while ago. It seems they’ve gotten a fresh coat of paint. I should revisit it. Maybe convince my friends to switch…
Reposting my reply from another thread, just to keep people informed:
Keep in mind everyone that Stoat still doesn’t currently protect it’s users information and is centralized. It doesn’t use encryption but it is very seamless. You can host your own Stoat instance but it doesn’t communicate with the main one. The devs have said they plan to add more security features in the future yet still don’t make it a priority. The host of Stoat should be able to see everyone’s messages, including in DM’s, due to the lack of E2E encryption. Once they add more security features I imagine they will be much more popular in general.
It’s dead. The development has been as fraught as Tox and it has no feature parity. Not sure it’s worth forking.
Right now your best options are jitsi for video or good old mumble for voice and simplex or matrix for text chat.
Discord leaked my email. How do I know it was Discord? Because that email address was specifically for Discord. Anyways, now that email is full of spam. Anyways anyways, no way I am letting them leak my face
Same… unique email for each service and the Discord leak a few weeks ago was the most abused one I believe I’ve experienced. So many emails for a huge number of sites claiming I opened support tickets and what-not.
Same
Tired of so many discussions being locked away in Discord, so hopefully they ramp this up and require identification to do anything so everyone will move to a more open platform.
Discord and github are the two platforms barely anyone dares to speak about. The Foss community barely mentions the usage of such platforms, despite nearly all of projects use discord as the support line.
It is really such a shame, since those projects make a significant contribution to open source software in one area. but just shits itself in the other.
At least public githubs aren’t difficult to access and/or crawl. The big issue with Discord is that there is a wealth of information locked behind a proprietary system.
Unlike forums or even reddit, there is not way to get to most of the information posted on discord.
It would mean a lot to me if open source projects used op n source coms for discussions. I tried discord recently and couldnt even get prast email verification. I went into a server, asked questions and couldn’t check to see if they were answered. Sorry people I ghosted!
What discussions happen on discord? I’m late 20s and play video games regularly and I have never used it. Thought it was where people streamed themselves playing video games or selling bathwater or whatever. Back in the day my home boys and I used to chat on teamspeak while gaming, but who has time for that shit anymore? My gaming is almost all single player or with the wifey 3 feet to my left lol.
What discussions happen on discord?
You ever have an issue with anything and you find the answer on some random reddit discussion that ends up in your search results when you’re looking around?
Discord isn’t really like the older methods of chatting, where people used platforms to chat for the sake of chatting. Entire communities from forums decided to just upend everything and move into discord. Niche software and other files are often shared among discord communities, or assistance for said files and programs is offered only through specific discord communities.
The platform is still better than anything we had back in the day, it’s just that for some reason people have decided that everything needs to be stored in there.
Anyway, I don’t see much changing. People will probably attempt to take this culture onto whatever new platform they move onto.
Man I miss when we had real forums. I used to go on nasioc for Subaru info now everybody is on FB pages. I have not yet found a need for downloading discord but I’m sure I’m bound to run into it eventually…
The cybersecurity certification companies use discord for support exclusively, and no you can’t use a different company because they are the ones the market recognizes. Offsec, Altered Security, for example.
Time to use generative AI to make a fake picture… Might as well pollute their database if they make these demands.
Most of the age verification things I’ve seen are wise to that and require a video camera, not a still one.
Put a tablet in front of the camera playing an AI video?
Or use a virtual camera with a preset video
The German
passportID card (and I’m sure many others) has a NFC chip in it and you can use it with an open source app to securely prove your identity online. In cases like this, the only information pulled from your ID would be “over 18” or “not over 18”.It’s one of the few things my government did right in the digital space. And yet almost nobody in the private sector uses this. I’m tired of being asked to upload a photo of my ID for age verification.
The German ID card can do this, not the passport. Just checked because I would love to use this feature. My ID card chip is broken. Gotta wait till renewal then.
Yeah that was the language barrier speaking. ID of course. You know you can get a new card at your local Einwohnermeldeamt (for a fee)?
Is that a German word, or do we need to call an emergency neurologist for you?
I don’t think we need to call a notfallneurologe for that person.
Fun fact: Einwohnermeldeamt is the shortest German word beside “Ja”, “Nein” and “Wadenbeinfraktur”
Shorter than Kartoffeln? (I learned that one from duolingo)
Kartoffeln is just short for Kartoffelnachtschattengewächs, so it doesn’t really count.
I hate that I cannot fact check you because I don’t know German.
Yeah, cost-benefit ratio is not sufficient. I will wait for next year till renewal.
What’s the apps name?
It’s called AusweisApp:
Never knew about this. This might be the only age verification I am okay with.
So, they WANT to render themselves obsolete?
I really hope they do. When a support forum says “join us on discord” I immediately nope the fuck out. I have never used discord and I don’t plan on it.
Even as a discord user, support forums, wikis, and QAs should not be done in discord. Their search feature is utter ass, and without tabs navigating forums is utter hell
Even their forum-esque feature really sucks. You can’t easily navigate within it, and it’s an endlessly scrolling feed rather than a paginated one, so good luck if you need access to a specific portion of a particularly long thread.
I’ve been waiting for Discord to die for years now.
I HATE discord. It’s way too complicated. The rules within chats are ridiculous.
And it’s obscure, why use a chat like a forum? Why keep knowledge there? It’s not even encrypted so it’s insecure and blinded from the regular internet.
They are choosing this over banning porn on their platform.
To quote general Grevious:
“Time to abandon ship”
There’s plenty of other options out there. Discord has been enshitifying for a while now, so I don’t mind dropping it
Yeah, except it’s not like you get to choose. If you are on the Discord server for rock climbing in your country, you can leave the community, but you don’t have “other options”.
It’s not like the question is “what platform do I want to use for X?”. The question is “The X community uses Discord, do I want to be in it or not?” And of course you can choose to not join, but you don’t have an option to choose another app.
I definitely get what you’re saying on that. Leaving behind communities that you’re a part of, potentially for years or longer, is not appealing.
The sad reality is that is where each individual person will have to weigh their options and beliefs.
For me personally, I’m already down to just a few personal communities on Discord and for the one that I run, I will be migrating to either something like Stoat, Matrix or even a good old fashioned web forum. This all stems from not trusting Discord with my personal information, which works for me. Obviously not a one size fits all situation.
It would be nice to see Discord realize that they’re making a huge mistake and backtrack the decision, but I don’t see that happening.
Perhaps this will lead to communities migrating to web forums down the road? Only time will tell.
The problem is there isn’t plenty of other options.
Discord is one of those services independent web folk have been after a replacement for for years.
For an exact 1:1 replacement? Yeah, I do agree about that. If anyone looking for options doesn’t mind making some compromises it opens the doors quite a bit.
I shared in another reply a link to some alternatives. Guilded seems to be the closest to a 1:1 replacement for now.
My personal concern is having to repeat this again if the next proprietary platform becomes too big. My friend group has gone through google hangouts (it was a different time lol), the curse client, which became a Twitch product eventually and then Discord.
I’m at the point where I’m considering going back to web forums and things like teamspeak/ventrillo.
Roblox is asking for the same thing to use chat in-game, but they split people in age groups (9-12, 18-20…), and you can only talk to players in your age group.
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Oof. That’s news to me. I’m seeing some stuff about Stoat pop up. Guess that’s what I’ll look into next
Let me know if you get it working with voice channels, tried tonight, no luck, couldn’t make voice channels at all. For text it’s fine I guess but that’s not enough.
Will do. I need to set aside some time to see about it working with most, if not all my devices and go from there.
I did see someone else mention elsewhere that it is possible, but I don’t remember the source.
There’s also Matrix if you don’t mind tinkering around a bit too as another option.
ya I’m setting up matrix with cloudflare tunnels now, first time using cloudflare tunnels, pretty cool. I’m not thrilled at having to depend on a third party service to connect to my own stuff, but it’s better than my home IP being public.
I really need to watch the prequels again
Dewit
ill take my leave asap then, 10 years has been a pretty good sample of what capitalism does to a platform
This is coming from socialdemocrat countries like Spain, State interventionism at its finest.
So, capitalist countries? You do understand that “social democracy” is still a form of capitalism, right?
Why are you so hostile? Read what I said and then read your reply and see if I am trying to argue against you or simply adding information to what you said.
Anyway this is what replying against your original comment looks like: you are blaming an economy system of political (parties) policies. The more socialist governments turns the more control government have over everything (including economic systems), the more, well, controlling the State becomes. Democracy doesn’t need to be capitalist, and social-democracy is just a political system.
“Socialism is when government do things”
Sure thing bud. You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. Socialism has nothing to do with what is being talked about. I’m hostile cause I’m tired of uneducated idiots like you spreading your ignorance.
“Capistalism is when bad” that’s your whole argument, with adding disrespect and lack of education.
I hate discord but they are just implementing what the EU will force every single “social network” to do.
how is a government requirement for age verification forcing a company to implement a non profitable change the fault of capitalism? I guess the 10 years have been a good sample of what capitalism does to a platform. Discord saw a problem and used VC capital to build one of the most well engineered platforms on the market with hundreds of millions of free users and many happy to pay to support it.
the ID isn’t a direct cause. i just mention capitalism because most of the rest of the cause for me leaving is the enshittification. this is just the straw that broke the camels back like how reddit killing the app api is what pushed me off that platform
You could argue that in a general sense government regulation goes against unfettered capitalism. Though in this age where personal information is a commodity, some might say this is being used as a pretense.
I think the argument that this is done to collect more personal info is stupid.
Did you miss the part where the change is global? It also applies where the government hasn’t required it.
how does that change anything?
Fuck discord. Hope some people leave over this.
bunch of friends and I just stood up a matrix room on a friend’s server and moved over there. fuck discord
You’re gonna need jitsi too. Simple is more secure but the client is heavier than matrix. You can run a server but shouldnt need to
Do they seriously expect discord moderators’ faces to fit into a picture not taken from like 15m?
Hey!
Fisheye lenses do exist
Yes, unless it’s a bot. Discord ‘thinks’ mods are normal homo sapiens
Welp that sucks time to find a new platform
Stoat is the most discordlike, Matrix is the most privacy-focused
I’ve been trying so hard to work with Matrix. Then once you get it going everything is dead.
That changes if people like you start using it.
Kinda like Lemmy.
I know. I totally agree. But holy shit onboarding is terrible with Matrix. If people struggle wrapping their head around Mastodon, this is much worse.
I found Lemmy to be the easiest onboarding of all the federated networks.
I think I found Discord much more confusing than matrix, personally.
That said. Discord no longer exists for me. Account deleted today. Nothing of value was lost.
Literally nothing to miss! All the communities I liked all fell apart and/or swung to the fascist right long ago.
I’ve been using it exclusively (later along with self-hosted Jitsi) since 2017.
There’s tens of millions of messages, doing just fine.
Go for XMPP, snikket is pretty much ootb.
Those are great private messaging solutions, but not great for hosting communities.
Matrix! Unredacted.org is a great place for newcomers to host their first server.
Ok, rare to see such an explicit kind of Great Filter / Idiot Test play out at scale, but here we go!
Anybody who is still using Discord after it requires you to personally directly link your drivers liscense or w/e to it, well, they’re fine with every government apparatus of any kind knowing everything they say and do on Discord.
Good luck to those glorious morons, truly, good luck.
You are going to need it.
Super, duper hope you’re not queer or trans or neurodivergent.
… you… think the 23 concentration camps currently being built by ICE / FEMA are … only for migrants?
Brown people?
Well you trust the current fascist regime a lot more than I do.
Here in the UK Discord has been requiring this for a while already. I never did the verification, because I don’t access any NSFW Discord servers anyway. Unless you use Discord for porn (or speak on “stages”, whatever they are), there is no reason to do the verification.
Well theres also the near certainty that they’re reading everyones messages with some kind of LLM agent that is their ‘system that runs in the background’ that attempts to auto-determine if you are a kid or not.
Thats regardless of whether or not you also give them your ID or face.
And, if you have connected Discord to any other apps? Other apps that you maybe pay for things with? Or you pay for Nitro?
They know who you are.
Yeah absolutely, Discord is terrible for privacy either way. What I’m saying is that the verification “requirement” is not actually required for what I would presume the majority of people use Discord for.
I have not used Discord in years, but I guess it would depend on what exactly consitutes NSFW chat or content.
Like… how much just current modern news around Esptein can be discussed on a non NSFW rated discord community?
I genuienly don’t know.
