Any non Google phone running graphene would be epic.
I had completely forgotten Lenovo bought Motorola from Google some 10 years ago. Honestly haven’t seen a Motorola phone in at least that long …
maybe my next phone will be a Motorola.
My last few phones have been Motorolas and I’ve been very very happy with them.
My only issue was that back then, I wasn’t really paying attention to alternative OSs like Graphene, Lineage or e/os and was therefore not really too concerned with ROM support/chip set. When I switched over to e/os, two of my Motorola’s (including the one I WANT to use with it) has no ROM support because it’s running a Mediatek chipset. So I’m using my second to last one while my nice new one collects dust.
Moving forward I’ll be paying more attention to Qualcomm vs Mediatek.
yeah i might focus on Android phones that have Good ROM/ support
i think their graphene OS powered phone will have bootloader unlocking.i hope Google does not take away Sideloading. (but i think graphene returns it)
i bought a mororolla 3 years ago and it still lasts 2 days on a charge. id say go for it.
i gotta see first if Motorola/Lenovo will actually ship graphene OS and other factors.
they dont sound like bad phones and even better with this collab
This is great news. While I still think we should make a push towards Linux phones being mainstream so that we don’t keep this duopoly on OSes, it’s nice to know that at least one manufacturer is currently defying googles obvious goal of suppressing third party ROMs and marketplaces.
Thanks for the reality check. While this a good development, I share your concern and we should not stop,or even slow, developing any fully free as in freedom OS. I tried PostmarketOS on an old Oneplus 6T recently and I estimate we have one or two more phone replacement cycles until I think it’ll be ready for me to switch.
I have a 6T and was thinking about getting postmarketos on it, what didn’t work for you? Which “desktop” did you choose for it? there’s like 5 options for that and I really have no idea what to do.
I have a 6T and was thinking about getting postmarketos on it, what didn’t work for you? Which “desktop” did you choose for it? there’s like 5 options for that and I really have no idea what to do.
I used KDE because that’s what I use on desktop. I hear some of the others are further along. Flashing was easy. I could not set up my SMB shares in dolphin and if it wont talk to my NAS, it’s not terribly useful to me. I will play around some more with it sooner or later. I believe I used Android- tools on Linux to send the partitions via fastboot commands. It was a 2 gen old phone for me (had the OP9 after it) so I wasn’t worried about anything going wrong. Feel free to shoot me a DM if you get stuck and have a specific question. I will try to help.
Volla phone (has choice between ubuntu touch and android rom) seems pretty cool.
They spotted an opportunity
Good. Now if only they could make the Edge+ with the same relative spec sheet and ditch the curved glass in 2027. I’d buy it in a heartbeat for Graphene. My next phone WAS going to be a Pixel for the broader case/screen protector support, but that would make me reconsider cause I would really miss the chop chop flashlight.
Good. Now if only they could make the Edge+ with the same relative spec sheet and ditch the curved glass in 2027. I’d buy it in a heartbeat for Graphene. My next phone WAS going to be a Pixel for the broader case/screen protector support, but that would make me reconsider cause I would really miss the chop chop flashlight.
If I can get GrapheneOS + headphone jack + SD card slot, I am in.
Well, fuck. I really hoped they would pick FairPhone. Motorola is… Okay. I guess they made the Nexus 5 ; which was one of the best phones ever.
I hope they make a SMALL one, I am so tired of this GIGANTIC pixel 9.
Motorola gets a little bit of love from me because they were (maybe still are?) the only ones who allowed me to shout “COMRADE MOTO!” to wake my phone up
I will not say “Hey Google” in a million years. I refuse.
SOVIET ANTHEM PLAYS IN THE BACKGROUND
Actually LG made the Nexus 5, Moto did the Nexus 6, developed while Google owned Motorola and released a few weeks after Lenovo bought them.
Depending on your definition of ‘small’, your only hope might be if they did Razr and you used it folded up. That’s credibly small, though I don’t know if Graphene would be game for bothering to do that sort of multiple display work.
But how are they going to include useless “uninstallable” apps and advertisements?
Grapheneos is a pretty attractive selling point for a phone. They could even make money the old fashioned way: by selling phones.
Probably they will not support it for budget phones
which is fine, I mean, you’d want decent specs + a secure OS in this day and age
Not everyone want one tho, i saw people saying that they use 200€ motorola phones, tbh i am using a 230€ tablet and it’s fine for normal tasks and drawing
yeah, I was looking at the Moto G15 for my next phone, but with this news, I’m considering waiting a little longer for a better OS
I’m on a second generation of Motorola phones. I gave them a shot with the 2020 g power and upgraded to the 2023 edge+. The g power was fine for about 2 years but then I really began to feel the brunt of having such a underperforming chipset. I’d definitely suggest getting something that’s more in the midrange price bracket given my experience. My advice so take it or leave it.
I’m on a second generation of Motorola phones. I gave them a shot with the 2020 g power and upgraded to the 2023 edge+. The g power was fine for about 2 years but then I really began to feel the brunt of having such a underperforming chipset. I’d definitely suggest getting something that’s more in the midrange price bracket given my experience. My advice so take it or leave it.
You don’t need high specs these days. I was looking at the Moto G 2024, because it’s the latest version to support Lineage OS, and it has a Snapdragon 4 Gen 1, I think it is, which is actually just slightly better than my OnePlus Nord N200 on Geekbench, which is fine.
The main difference is that my OnePlus Nord N200 was released in 2021, and it has a lower geekbench score than the Moto G 2024, which was released in 2024, with a lower-end chip. But my OnePlus cost $300, where the G24 was released at $200, and is now available for $130.
So at its release, I would have gotten more storage and a better CPU for $100 less, and now it would be $170 less.
You don’t need high specs these days. I was looking at the Moto G 2024, because it’s the latest version to support Lineage OS, and it has a Snapdragon 4 Gen 1, I think it is, which is actually just slightly better than my OnePlus Nord N200 on Geekbench, which is fine.
The main difference is that my OnePlus Nord N200 was released in 2021, and it has a lower geekbench score than the Moto G 2024, which was released in 2024, with a lower-end chip. But my OnePlus cost $300, where the G24 was released at $200, and is now available for $130.
So at its release, I would have gotten more storage and a better CPU for $100 less, and now it would be $170 less.
Supposedly the article says that Motorola will be implementing “some” of the features from GrapheneOS in some of their other phones. So whilst not GrapheneOS proper, you still might see some graphenOS like/lite type stuff on budget phones.
I mean, they could still include those on the base model of the phone, but just officially support flashing Graphene for those who want to do it. I am reasonably certain the target markets for pre-installed apps/ads and people who would be interested in flashing Graphene are completely separate groups. Kind of like how a stock Pixel is basically Google/Gemini Spyware, but Thayer doesn’t matter to someone who buys one to install Graphene.
Motorola doesn’t have to sell apps. Apps sell themselves. And an App Store that isn’t riddled with crap is appealing to everyone.
I mean, they could still include those on the base model of the phone, but just officially support flashing Graphene for those who want to do it. I am reasonably certain the target markets for pre-installed apps/ads and people who would be interested in flashing Graphene are completely separate groups. Kind of like how a stock Pixel is basically Google/Gemini Spyware, but Thayer doesn’t matter to someone who buys one to install Graphene.
Android seems intent on creating a huge market for this. Chef’s kiss!
Let’s see if it gets released before GrapheneOS and unlockable bootloader get outlawed
OEM, they can lock the bootloader. So at least there’s that
That’s the point, right? Google is trying to lock down Android even more, and third party vendors can see the increasing risk. If they fork now, they can maybe undercut the increasing monopoly efforts.
Moto flip phone with GOS? sign me up. Should not have to choose between form factor and operating system.
Something like that is what I’ve been waiting for a long time for. Really looking forward to it.
My biggest concern is the life cycle of the device. I almost went with Motorola for my last phone, but saw that you were lucky to get 3 years of OS updates. Is that likely to be better on GrapheneOS? If so, that is a huge win imo. If not, it still isn’t ideal because I don’t want to have to buy a new phone every 2 years…
GrapheneOS was claiming 5-year support IIRC. Apple level support is infeasible. Not sure how affordable longer firmware support from Qualcomm is.
but saw that you were lucky to get 3 years of OS updates.
fucking great, less enshittification when they stop shoving the updates down your throat.
Yea, except you aren’t getting security updates either… Basically anything connected to the internet should be getting security updates…
Yea, except you aren’t getting security updates either… Basically anything connected to the internet should be getting security updates…
I’ll buy if decent specs and price good
I solely need camera, contactless payments and projection for cars. If it is capable of these I am pre ordering.
Contactless payment will not happen under grapheneOS, it relies on google play services and integrity check. Graphene does have sandboxed play services, but it doesn’t pass integrity check.
Contactless payments does not need to be Google Pay. There are alternatives.
What are those alternatives…?
The most famous one is probably PayPal. But I assume for people who are privacy focused, that would be not the first choice.
There is Curve Pay, but I know nothing about it besides the fact that it exists.
Samsung Pay exists, but it only works on Samsung devices and therefore is not really an alternative in this case.
And then there are some regional options. Here in Germany are same banks that offer their own payment apps, most famously the Sparkassen. I heard there are also some Indian and east Asian payment apps, but I don’t know much about them.
Using contactless nfc payment on my grapheneos phone almost daily.
Just not Google Wallet.
What are you using? It’s the only google thing I haven’t been able to terminate (and play services, for now)
In a lot of European countries there are local payment apps that work as alternatives. Some banks even have payment support in their own apps.
Check your local market for alternatives, though if your market is the US then there probably isn’t any.
GooglePay does Graphene is very capable of contactless payment.
That’s a deal breaker for me, I haven’t carried a physical card of any sort in years.
Same here, and unfortunately there is no digital wallet providers in my country other than Google Pay, Samsung Pay and Apple Pay.
Curve pay allows the creation of a card linked to a bank card
Does GrapheneOS support Google Pay?
It’s the other way around. Google specifically blocks Goodlgle Pay being used on GrapheneOS. I believe there’s another contactless payment app called Curve or something that works on GrapheneOS. Requires Google Play Services installed though.
Probably not if it depends on Google Pain Services?
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No.
But third party payment apps might work. I’m using one for contactless payments and it works just fine.
Yup, it uses a sandboxed version that you can control.
Edit: Fuck me…it’s early and my dyslexic ass read “play” not pay.
It supports google play services, but google pay does not work on graphene.
No but nfc is present and nfc contactless pay works if your banking app has it native in their app. Curve pay is a good workaround.
Fucking finally. Please be a Qualcomm chip.
That’s nice, but how much will those phones cost? Will GrapheneOS be an option on the low end devices or will they only support “some” devices, which happen cost as much as a Pixel anyway?
Hey mate, don’t need one of the Motorola’s, buy a second hand pixel, I’ve got a 6 and a 10 pro (soon to be converted to GOS now that there are stable builds since it’s my daily).
It’s a bit of a shock compared to stock android but you’ll actually feel like you own and control your phone again (like I do here on the pixel 6), but you’ll lose features like the scam block, hold for me etc. that the stock OS does).
The onus becomes on you to keep the device secure, you can do another user profile to install stuff you want separate and it works nicely. It’s all sandboxed and asks your consent before giving any permissions to an app, like android used to.
