• Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      49
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      My primary concern is that they appear to be allowing Thread content to be pulled into other Fedi clients, but not the inverse. So Threads content on Mastodon, but no Mastodon content on Threads. That’s not super great for Mastodon exposure.

      Also, given the vast differences in daily active users, wouldn’t Mastodon become flooded, and eventually dependent, on Threads content?

      • misk@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        If they opened as read only then they created API in a most convoluted way possible. If that ridonculous claim is true then I wonder when we see first third party Threads apps.

      • NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        1 year ago

        I personally remain neutral on this. The issue you point out is definitely a problem, but Threads is just now testing this, so I think it’s too early to tell. Same with embrace, extend, extinguish concerns. People should be vigilant of the risks, and prepared, but we’re still mostly in wait and see land. On the other hand, threads could be a boon for the fidiverse and help to make it the main way social media works in five years time. We just don’t know yet.

        There are just always a lot of “the sky is falling” takes about Threads that I think are overblown and reactionary

        Just to be extra controversial, I’m actually coming around on Meta as a company a bit. They absolutely were evil, and I don’t fully trust them, but I think they’ve been trying to clean up their image and move in a better direction. I think Meta is genuinely interested in Activitypub and while their intentions are not pure, and are certainly profit driven, I don’t think they have a master plan to destroy the fidiverse. I think they see it in their long term interest for more people to be on the fidiverse so they can more easily compete with TikTok, X, and whatever comes next without the problems of platform lockin and account migration. Also meta is probably the biggest player in open source llm development, so they’ve earned some open source brownie points from me, particularly since I think AI is going to be a big thing and open source development is crucial so we don’t end up ina world where two or three companies control the AGI that everyone else depends on. So my opinion of Meta is evolving past the Cambridge Analytica taste that’s been in my mouth for years.

        • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          16
          ·
          1 year ago

          You had us in the first half, but anyone who thinks theres any part of meta thats trustworthy is either paid off or an idiot. Sorry bud, but thats fresh horseshit flavor thats rinsing the CA taste from your mouth.

          Facebook isnt even actually dead yet, youre 4-6 decades too early to even entertain the thought that meta is safe to conditionally trust.

          • NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            That’s totally fair and I knew that would be controversial. I’m very heavily focused on AI professionally and I give very few shits about social media, so maybe my perspective is a little different. The fact that there is an active open source AI community owes a ton to Meta training and releasing their Llama LLM models as open source. Training LLMs is very hard and very expensive, so Meta is functionally subsidizing the open source AI community, and their role I think is pretty clearly very positive in that they are preventing AI from being entirely controlled by Google and OpenAI/Microsoft. Given the stakes of AI, the positive role Meta has played with open source developers, it’s really hard to be like “yeah but remember CA 7 years ago and what about how Facebook rotted my uncle’s brain!”

            All of that said, I’m still not buying a quest, or signing up for any Meta social products, I don’t like or trust them. I just don’t have the rage hardon a lot of people do.

            • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              Big difference between “large company tries to undermine its competitors” and “large company is working with people to advance new tech.”

              Meta is using open source to try and slow down its 2 biggest enemies in the field who have better funding and resources. That open source benefits the masses is incidental and likely regretful from metas perspective. They just dont have a better option to prevent themselves being left in the dust.

              • NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                I’m not going to argue Meta doesn’t have a profit incentive here, but if they just wanted to slow down their rivals they could have closed source their model and released their own product using the model, or shared it with a dozen or so promising startups. They gain nothing by open sourcing, but did it anyway. Whatever their motivations, at the end of the day they opened sourced a model, so good for them.

                I really dislike being in the position of defending Meta, but the world is not all black and white, there are no good guys and bad guys. Meta is capable of doing good things, and maybe overtime they’ll build a positive reputation. I honestly think they are tired of being the shitty evil company that everyone hates, who is best known for a shitty product nobody but boomers uses, and have been searching for years now for a path forward. I think threads, including Activitypub, and Llama are evidence that their exploring a different direction. Will they live up to their commitments on both Activitypub and open source, I don’t know, and I think it’s totally fair to be skeptical, but I’m willing to keep an open mind and acknowledge when they do good things and move in the right direction.

        • theneverfox@pawb.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Ok, so hold the fuck up for a second - most of what you said makes sense, but then you anthropomorphised a massive company that has more influence on global politics than most governments, and could be fairly blamed for mental health issues globally

          Facebook is, and was, evil. They do not have morals, they have metrics. Their metrics have not changed.

          They invented doomscrolling, intentionally - this wasn’t something they stumbled upon, they did unethical psychological experiments on users.

          For example, they shadow banned users. They made it so no one could see their posts, just to see what feelings of isolation would do to engagement… Luckily it didn’t increase engagement. They created invisible echo chambers and artificial controversy, which did work, and is now common practice for social media

          Facebook has created some of the greatest open source software in existence. React and pytorch are two that I use frequently. They were first made while the company was actively experimenting with the power to manipulate democracy

          Facebook has some of the best engineers, and does a ton of great open source work. They also have some of the most amoral people in positions of authority.

          They’re not the same people - the teams who do AI research at Facebook? Great people doing great work

          The people who do social media at Facebook? Never trust them. They have a PR problem and are treading lightly.

          They want to mine the fediverse for information on users. I don’t think this is an EEE plan… But I think that every time this arm of the company finds themselves in a position of control, they ask “how can we leverage this?”

      • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Also, given the vast differences in daily active users, wouldn’t Mastodon become flooded, and eventually dependent, on Threads content?

        Servers only pull subscribed user content, so it’s not like the option is nothing or The Firehose. Meta can’t push content into the Fediverse.

        I think it’s important to note that Meta doesn’t have more power than anyone else here. They’re just a large instance. They have the same forces keeping them honest as anyone else and their size doesn’t change the incentives for mods and admins. Mods don’t have an interest in working for Meta for free. If they’re spending too much of their time moderating that content, Threads will be limited or defederated.

        Given Meta’s size and history it’s understandable to be concerned. At the end of the day though, they’ll either play nice or get bounced. I think we’ll be fine either way.

    • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      30
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I’m constantly reminded of it by instagram when they insert the most unhinged incendiary thread posts on my feed. Quite a way to advertise. “Hey, do you like to be angry and argue with strangers? Come join Threads!”

          • SeducingCamel@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            I just got into photography and wanted to post some stuff to Flickr. Any idea how pixelfed is for that? I really like being able to sort by camera or lens and seeing the exact settings used right under the pic

            • Masimatutu@mander.xyz
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              I’d say Pixelfed is great for photography; unlike Instagram its userbase is actually photography-focused, but unfortunately you cannot count on people to include all details in their posts.

                • Masimatutu@mander.xyz
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Good luck! Remember to hashtag your posts generously at first, because there’s no algorithm!

      • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        1 year ago

        Considering a significant portion of their userbase adores ragebait, it probably works out quite well for them lol

    • misk@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      25
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Mastodon.social, the biggest instance ran by Mastodon devs didn’t and encourages wait and see approach.

    • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      10
      ·
      1 year ago

      some do.

      I have a small community masto instance and don’t. If my users want to block the instance, it’s literally 2 clicks and a confirmation away.

      Doing to server wide is massively patronizing towards the users

      • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Nah, users can vote and then if they don’t get the vote they want, they can go to another instance.

          • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            But can’t Mastodon post on Lemmy and Lemmy can’t block instances on an individual basis? That’s the way I understand it currently stands. I don’t want threads showing up in my feed and would like to block them.

        • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          yup. And that’s what we did. The majority of people either didn’t care either way or didn’t want to block it. With way more “don’t block” than “block”. So that’s that. At least for now

      • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        You might want to look up what patronize means, in the common phrase “don’t patronize me” it’s used sarcastically.

        Essentially, replace the word with “helpful” in your sentence, and you’ll see why it doesn’t fit.

        • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          yeah, I get what you mean. But it’s still mostly fitting in the way I feel about it. Basically: users can think for themselves. They don’t need me to take care of the bit scary world out there.

          Doing so for a whole instance feels super condecending. “I know better than you what you want. I’m going to block it”

          • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            I get what you meant, which is why I replied, I’m saying that that word means the opposite of what you intended.

            To patronize someone is not a bad thing, the word means “to be someone’s customer/patron” and through doing so, supporting and helping them. That’s where patreons name comes from, for example.

            In the phrase “don’t patronize me” it’s used sarcastically to say “I know you’re trying to help, but please don’t” but the word doesn’t actually refer to someone who is going over your head to do things for you. It’s actual meaning is 100% positive, and hence confuses what you’re saying. Which is that blocking threads should be done by users because it should be their decision.

            Instead, your final sentences literal meaning, paraphrased, is “a server-wide block would be really good and helpful for all my users”.

              • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Can’t argue with real-world use, but man that is a semantic shift that is doing the original word dirty.

                Apparently patronage and other forms of the word are having their definitions affected, too.

                I read a lot of books so I’m definitely a lot more used to how words are used up to several decades ago.

            • loobkoob@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              1 year ago

              I don’t know if it’s perhaps a regional thing but, in the UK, “being patronising” is used pretty much exclusively in the pejorative sense, with a similar meaning to “condescending”. I don’t think I’ve ever heard (in actual conversation) “being patronising” used to mean someone is giving patronage, in fact - we would say someone is “giving patronage” or “is a patron” instead. We also pronounce “patronise” differently, for whatever reason: “patron” is “pay-trun”, “patronage” is “pay-trun-idge” but “patronise” is “pah-trun-ise”.

              It seems the pejorative use of the word dates back to at least 1755, too, so it’s not exactly a new development.

              • samus12345@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                in the UK, “being patronising” is used pretty much exclusively in the pejorative sense, with a similar meaning to “condescending”

                It’s the same in the US, and has been ever since I can remember. No idea where this person lives that the positive meaning would be the first thing they’d think of.

              • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                They might be, but that’s generally a bad idea online (without using /s), someone like me who can’t hear their tone of voice could come along :D

    • Tertle950@lemmy.basedcount.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Hold your ground men, stay on non-corpo socials (here)!

      They can’t really do anything they couldn’t already do if we do that.

    • sunbeam60@lemmy.one
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Please could you tell me what success looks like for ActivityPub if it doesn’t involve adoption?

      • Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        It’ll look like what we already have. Swaths of users self hosting, with lots of redundancy to deal woth instances that have problems.

        And that might mean it needs to stay small, but that’s OK. Not all success is measured in popularity.

  • mr_tyler_durden@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    1 year ago

    I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I think this is actually a great thing for Mastodon. The truth is the majority of people are just never going to sign up for a Mastodon server as they stand today. The majority of people want algorithmic feeds run by a central entity. I know the people here don’t want that, but that’s what the majority of people do want. Will I use Threads? No but if this breathes more life into Mastodon and exposes more people to the concept then that is a good thing. Being able to use a client of your choice to interact with people on something like Threads is also a very good thing. The alternative is a completely closed social network like Twitter.

    I know, I know “embrace, extend, extinguish”, but literally this is the best that we can hope for unfortunately. The alternative is everyone goes and uses a closed system.

    • shapis@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Google the history of xmpp. This is exactly the same.

      It’s not a good thing.

      • mr_tyler_durden@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        So we can let Mastodon die on the vine or chance it dying? Ok, I know my choice.

        It’s not like the majority of people are already on open protocols. I’m sure Threads dwarfs Masrodon usage just as Twitter and possibly even BlueSky.

        IF Mastodon was dominate I might have a different view but it’s not. If Threads federates then there is an opportunity to push people to other clients which make switching to a Mastodon/ActivityPub server much easier. That’s literally only upside. It’s not like the people on Mastodon now are going to leave it for Threads.

        • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          They might end up being forced to, should Threads decide to revert.

          Mastodon users will inevitably hook up on Threads communities instead of fostering their own, and at that point being left to their own devices would be a catastrophe.

          And yes, this is exactly what happened to xmpp.

    • Mwalimu@baraza.africa
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      What is the obsession with numbers? Centralization mentality is the problem. The idea that unless 5 Billion people are on a network will it be “successful” denies the joys of effective and sustainable networks. I really honestly wouldn’t want to see a fediverse server with more than 100K daily active users. I would rather have 10 instances of 10K active users.

      Meta and those billionaire centrists can go fuck themselves.

      • InvaderDJ@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        11 months ago

        I wouldn’t call it an obsession, but there does need to be a critical mass of users before a social networks become useful.

    • arc@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      I’m not sure. Might be a great thing, but Facebook might equally be the equivalent of a whale landing in a small pond, killing everything else in the process.

  • misk@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    1 year ago

    Pretty cool. I keep saying that this is a win for open standards and Meta probably does this to appease EU regulators. It’s no surprise that this happens as Threads launches In Europe.

      • Meldrik@lemmy.wtf
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        I see it as an opportunity to tell people on Threads to leave Threads and use an open platform, such as Mastodon, instead. Then eventually Threads will shut down, because everyone moved :D

        • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          12
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Won’t they have control over their instance though? I’m sure they’re going to run it like Reddit and shadow ban the shit out of their users and also not let them see certain stuff.

          • Kbin_space_program@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            Far more likely to lean on their infrastructure advantage and add things like image and video hosting on-platform that the Fediverse can’t do now.

            Then once secured, they can defederate from the actual fediverse and take the whole thing private.

      • DaDragon@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        13
        ·
        1 year ago

        Why would you want to defederate at all? It’s akin to hiding your head in the sand, except done on a community-wide scale. Just because you can’t see the nazi over there in the bushes doesn’t mean he isn’t squatting there, observing you.

          • atocci@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            I might be looking at this wrong, so please let me know why if I am, but I don’t understand the argument that Google killed XMPP. The protocol existed before Google and still existed after Google. I assume the number of people using the XMPP protocol before Google implemented it was small. Then for a little while, Google added all of their users into the network who could now message all the “pure” XMPP users who were already there. After that though, when Google left the protocol and took all its users that weren’t using XMPP before then anyway, how did that kill it? Would you not still have the same group of XMPP users who were there before Google? Anyone you could chat with before you could still chat with now.

        • Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Obviously we will have to see what sort of content comes in from Threads, but knowing Meta, they will be serving a lot of ads in it. So instances will effectively be distributing Meta ads for free. Well free for Meta; the instances will incur additional costs.

        • misk@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          It’s like blocking e-mails from Google. People can’t take a win.

          • sudneo@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            To be honest, not a great argument, considering that the hidden magic that Google and a handful of big players do, specifically in relation to spam, is what made emails substantially an oligopoly. Today if you want to run an email server, you need to jump 20 hoops to hope your email will ever reach the mailbox of someone on Gmail. Emails were supposed to be a distributed protocol too…

        • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          He already is, this is all open? They will include people’s numbers in their “awesome wave of the future” and I don’t want that. The more people ignore them and isolate them, the more they won’t have power over everyone.

          • Aatube@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            What are “people’s numbers”? What power would they have if we didn’t defederate?

            • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              8
              ·
              1 year ago

              Dude, facebook is evil, we all know that. I have no idea how they plan to take over the fediverse, but they’re planning it. Do you remember when they first announced and then everyone suddenly started calling it the threadiverse? They have plans, hold on to your seat.

              • atocci@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                I’ve been under the impression people started using the term threadiverse to describe the Lemmy/Kbin side of the fediverse because we exist in Reddit style threads and interaction with microblog style fediverse posts is obtuse at best. We’re practically in a separate bubble over here, and that was the cause of the new term.

                Edit: The first time I saw the term used was when FediDB made a page for tracking Lemmy+Kbin users

                Edit 2: Archive.org link to the Threadiverse page from June 15th, half a month before the Threads name leaked.

                • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I hadn’t heard it once until threads started up. I didn’t join until the great migration, so maybe earlier people used it, but I had only seen fediverse to describe it.

              • Aatube@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                What is the worse case scenario for me, a person living on kbin? What the heck could they do to ever possibly affect us when we can just pull the plug on them anytime?

                • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  by user @OtakuAltair@lemm.ee

                  If there’s one company you should preemptively block, it’s Facebook. They have a track record of destroying anything and everything they touch and there is zero reason to think it won’t be the same this time. From this post:

                  They aren’t some new, bright-eyed group with no track record. They’re a borderline Machiavellian megacorporation with a long and continuing history of extremely hostile actions:

                  • Helping enhance genocides in countries
                  • Openly and willingly taking part in political manipulation (see Cambridge Analytica)
                  • Actively have campaigned against net neutrality and attempted to make “facebook” most of the internet for members of countries with weaker internet infra - directly contributing to their amplification of genocide (see the genocide link for info)
                  • Using their users as non-consenting subjects to psychological experiments.
                  • Absolutely ludicrous invasions of privacy - even if they aren’t able to do this directly to the Fediverse, it illustrates their attitude.
                  • Even now, they’re on-record of attempting to get instance admins to do backdoor discussions and sign NDAs.

                  source

            • Draconic NEO@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              11 months ago

              They certainly have the choice to migrate. If they don’t want to it’s their problem. Fediverse wasn’t meant to be a wide open connect with anyone anywhere unconditionally network, if you want that go to Nostr (it’s filled with Right wing trolls and crypto/nft bros for that very reason). It’s meant to allow for instances to communicate and share content while still being run independently of one another. That also includes the ability to block other servers.

              • Aatube@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                11 months ago

                Facebook and the like certainly aren’t filled with right wing trolls and the fediverse is a very niche thing. They have the choice, but they might not even know it.

    • ryan@the.coolest.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Agreed. Instances always have the option to defederate with Threads should it prove spammy or ad-filled or socially awful, but I’m cautiously optimistic that Threads will pave the way for a more open social media paradigm in general. Decentralization is a core tenet of Web3, and everyone started focusing on the block chain and Bitcoins and whatnot but there’s so much more to decentralization than that.

      • shortwavesurfer@monero.town
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        1 year ago

        Though this is more federation with a wheel and spoke model than true decentralization where each pier communicates with other piers directly. Each have their place for sure, but they cannot be interchanged because they are not the same thing.

      • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        Why in the world are you cautiously optimistic? What would give you the idea that meta would do anything but what’s in their shareholder’s interest. My biggest question is, do we know if activitypub is secure enough to keep them out of its software?

    • atocci@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      I’m looking forward to federation. My stance on it is that I don’t want to use Threads, but I want to follow and interact with the people who do. Best of both worlds like this.

    • sverit@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Pretty cool at first glance. Not so cool when they have pulled in enough users and then remove the federation.

      • misk@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        They have orders of magnitude more users than all Mastodon instances combined already.

        • Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          Part of that is only because any and all Instagram accounts are also considered Threads accounts. I have a feeling active users is probably in a similar ballpark

          • misk@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            BS. There are 140 mil Threads accounts and over 2 bil Instagram accounts. You can create Threads account with Instagram and for a time they couldn’t be decouple but that changed too.

  • farcaster@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    Ok, so what is actually the main argument people have to preventatively defederate with Threads? I perhaps haven’t thought about it much, but I don’t personally see the problem if my instances would federate with them. I’m mentally comparing this to email. If I ran my own email service, or used someone else’s, why would I want to block Gmail, or icloud, or Hotmail/Outlook?

    Of course if they don’t have effective admin/moderation policies and actions then, yeah they should be blocked or limited. The same holds true with email federation.

    • AmberPrince@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      1 year ago

      There is concern that Threads will use embrace, extend, extinguish to depreciate the ActiviyPub protocol. Essentially, they adopt the open standard, expand on it with proprietary additions, then when everyone is using the modified standard they drop support for the open standard and now everyone has to play ball by their rules.

      • sir_reginald@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        I’m also worried that due to content moderation policies, Threads might choose to federate only with a few handpicked mastodon instances. Thus provoking a huge increase of users in these instances because they want to interact with people on threads and causing a centralisation issue, because people will start joining this instances far more than the others.

        It would also render useless self hosting a single user instance for yourself.

      • farcaster@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Ah, yes that is a fair enough concern. Thanks. There are lessons in the fate of XMPP (and HTML with IE I guess?). However ActivityPub seems to have so much more momentum than XMPP ever had. This makes me more optimistic about Fedi.

        Also, unlike with messaging which is much more dependent on a small number of people you interact with, I think microblogging is much more personal. If Threads would join, grow big, and then defederate 5 years later I may miss out on following some people but that still wouldn’t make me leave Mastodon. I left Twitter after all.

        Still, it’s a reasonable and interesting concern.

      • LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Is it so much of a problem if the rest of the fediverse doesn’t follow suit. Most of us and the original devs are here because we don’t like mainstream social media and the direction it’s going.

        So sure threads can show up and start trying to call the shots, but I think if we only except them if what they do is in our best interest it will be fine as we can just break off again and do our own thing if they start trying to head the project in their own direction.

        As I don’t think most people on here care whether threads is part of the fediverse or not.

        My point is they only have power if we go with what they want, and due to the open source nature of this just because they have money and a lot of employees doesn’t mean they can take control.

      • farcaster@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Thanks, that’s actually precisely what I was interested in reading. That admin team totally rocks for motivating their decision with such a comprehensive argument.

      • AmberPrince@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        That post is outstanding and is a wonderful writeup that highlights the danger of associating with a company as morally bankrupt as Meta.

    • spiderman@ani.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      1 year ago

      The content on threads are utter garbage. I have tried to get on with it but it doesn’t seem to work out for me.

    • MudMan@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      It’s honestly kind of irrational. The “embrace, extend, extinguish” stuff is on shaky grounds as a framework as it is, but it wasn’t even part of the conversation until people started trying to retroactively justify the knee-jerk rejection to Meta.

      So it’s mostly “we should grow the “fediverse” into the new universal social tool. No, not like that”.

      But hey, here we are. I’m on the record saying that I’ll mvoe instances if they join to keep them available.

      • iAmTheTot@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        1 year ago

        Isn’t the entire point of these platforms and the nature of federation is that they get to decide who they federate with and when, and even why?

        • MudMan@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Sure. And that the users get to pick their instance based on those decisions.

          Which is what I’m saying I’ll do.

          Problem with that train of thought is you always land in weird anarchocapitalist loopholes. Ultimately there is a level of communal decisionmaking that ends up happening and needs some degree of organization, even if the alternatives are also supported on the fringes.

          • iAmTheTot@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            I’m not telling you not to pick your instance, but I was countering your claim that what they are doing is irrational. Because if it’s irrational, then the very point of these services is irrational.

        • MudMan@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          With thinking Facebook sucks? Nothing.

          With thinking Facebook sucks and Facebook’s audience should stay in Facebook while the “fediverse” stays small and exclusive? That it goes against the stated goals of providing decentralized, open social platforms as a replacement for current closed platforms.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Joining the fediverse — the decentralized world of social media that includes Mastodon, Pixelfed, and other services that all interoperate through ActivityPub — has been on the Threads team’s to-do list since the very beginning.

    Instagram head Adam Mosseri told The Verge in July that he believed decentralizing the platform was key to making it relevant to a new generation of creators.

    Skeptics have long held that Threads would never actually federate, even as Zuckerberg, Mosseri, and others at Meta kept promising they would.

    For the largest and most centralized social service on the web, suddenly throwing open the gates to other platforms seemed like an unlikely pivot.

    This test appears to only cover one small part of a truly federated social network — it doesn’t sound like you’ll be able to post from Mastodon to Threads, for instance, and you can’t move your account between services.

    But the test at least reaffirms Meta’s commitment to ActivityPub and to being part of the broader open social web.


    The original article contains 344 words, the summary contains 166 words. Saved 52%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!