I’m so excited for “woke” to be so oversaturated that it becomes lame and people stop using it, like “Political Correctness” before it. One of the more infuriatingly vague terms in political culture.
I do feel like it’s on the downswing after DeSantis.
a : aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
I will never understand why this 👆is such a bad thing. Personally, I find it complimentary. But then again, I believe in facts and truth, and the betterment of society as a whole.
The meaning of a word doesn’t matter to them. They’re told it’s a bad thing and that they’re to oppose it, like the attack command for a dog that’s been trained to be racist.
It’s why everytime they have a new trigger word like “woke” or “CRT”, there is always a stream of clips of supporters and pundits who can’t articulate what the word means but are staunchly opposed to it anyway.
Within that, there’s probably people who do know what it means, they just can’t say things like “I oppose anyone being empathetic or fair to minorities” out loud, even though that’s exactly their view.
Alt right playbook: find a word the left uses, then say it with disgust in frequent rants about the left. Followers associate negative feelings and connotations with the word without ever having to learn its meaning.
Just as a perfect example of this is being liberal
Being a liberal is literally being for liberty
Liberty is basically defined by The Bill of Rights. Basically what the US Constitution is based in.
So the right has to make it a bad word because if people actually realized that, well yeah who doesn’t support that shit?! They won’t get anyone to vote against their best interests. Instead they require people vote to benefit social hierarchy that creates in groups that the law defends and out groups that the law binds.
Worth noting that “liberal” also has other connotations. You appear to be referring to social liberalism, which is a great thing for the majority of humanity. Frequently, the term is used to refer to economic liberalism, which is a right-wing ideology. This is why you have leftists speaking negatively about (neo)liberalism. It’s an ideology focused primarily on unfettered capitalism and devalues everything that is not directly related to profit. It is also the ideology followed by nearly all western governments’ ruling parties (including the Dems in the US).
yet, a large percentage of “liberals” are against said liberty.
Articulate an example…
2A for starters. 1A when it doesn’t suit them. As much as most don’t like it, hate speech is expressly protected speech. It’s morally repugnant, but still protected. Much like burning the flag. A ton seem to be ok with nixing the 4th in an attempt to nullify the 2nd.
Nearly everyone is guilty of what you’re saying about 1A. And I’d argue the right is making a far more concerted effort and progress in banning books and speech they disagree with.
You have something on the 2A, but I’d argue again that some people on the right believe they have a right “or need” for rocket launchers and miniguns. Which, maybe per the 2A they do. But the problem is that the people who think those weapons are necessary to protect them from a tyrannical government accidentally allowed those things to get used on schools. And, all of those people and the NRA love to ignore the well regulated part. So there’s extremists on both sides.
And I’d argue no one assaulted 4A like the patriot act which was definitely not liberals (but I’m sure some were involved).
Extremists on both sides are guilty and one of “our” tasks as rational citizens is to not generalize “those we disagree with more” as said extremists.
Thanks for answering tho.
p.s. if you want to see some fascinating history about hate speech and 1A watch the recent American Experience episode called Nazi Town USA. It will only be available to watch online for another week or so (at least at the source).
Same with “SJW” – “Social Justice Warrior.” Sounds great to me!
literally Batman
Nah, warriors kill people. Batman is like the Hall Monitor of justice.
I don’t know how to tell you this but… Batman kills the shit out of some people
Always the wrong ones, as far as actually putting a stop to things. Kind of like Democrats always doing something, but it’s never universal healthcare or raising the minumum wage, or raising taxes on the rich, nooo… We cannot do impactful things, because then maybe the world would change! and change is scary…
I don’t know, but I always thought grok was a fairly progressive idea. Outside of the genocidal implications, of course. To seek understanding so deep that you become a part of what you’re trying to understand and it becomes a part of you, sounds pretty good to me.
I will never understand why this 👆is such a bad thing
because it’s been coined by the Black comminity.
That’s not the definition conservatives are using, obviously. And they don’t have a consistent definition between them either. Making a movie with a black person? Woke. Passing legislation to save the environment? Woke. Being gay? Woke. Disliking racists? Woke.
That’s why I hate it. If it was something solid, even with a negative connotation, we could use it for political discussion.
Is PC lame? I interpreted it as just it being more formal, whereas woke is a more meme way to say it
What do these guys do when they want to watch a movie or a tv show? Do they have a big list to check if it’s woke or not? Because 90% of Hollywood films must be woke by their definition.
For some reason I watched one of these dudes review Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. It was woke because there were more women than men in the bridge crew.
The amount of conservatives who don’t realize that Star Trek is the OG “woke” show is crazy. Like yes THAT’S THE POINT OF THE SHOW!
To be fair William ShatMyPants doesn’t remember that either.
Who here remembers them broadcasting “They’re black on the LEFT side!” back in the mid-60’s? I don’t, I wouldn’t be born for another 20 years.
I love SNW and can say I (and probably 99% of viewers) have never noticed this because who actually counts up the number of each sex? I feel like even with their logic, the captain being a man should give them some level of comfort…
I count the number of sexes. the entirety of lemmy has had exactly 0 sexes in the last 10 years.
Edit: Fuck, i thought we were on shitposts.
“Treat every community like it is shitposting.”
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Back in TOS, Pike said something to the effect of “I’ll never get used to a woman on the bridge” so I’m sure somewhere along the lines someone in production/writing had a good laugh.
And honestly… Who gives a flying fuck.
I didn’t think I would like it because it changes a lot of stuff, but nah. I like what I’ve seen so far, admittedly haven’t gotten too far since my wife wanted to start watching star trek with me and we started on TNG.
ANYONE criticizing “new trek” for “being woke” is an idiot who has no idea about the history of the entire show.
That’s like people getting mad at Rage Against the Machine because they were just such a great NONPOLITICAL band before… And I’ll probably listen to the guy with a PoliSci degree over some rando in oakleys screaming into a phone while sitting in his lifted pickup.
new trek is bad when it’s superficial and action-y, see DIS and PIC, but SNW is true to the spirit of Star Trek, pitching actual sci-fi scenarios and provoking thought.
SNW?? MORE LIKE SJW!!!1! /s
Yeah I definitely didn’t notice it until I watched that “review”.
I had someone who actually watched the movie tell me that Dial of Destiny was too liberal. Unless they’re literally a Nazi or object to the reality of Vietnam War protestors existing in 1969, I have no idea what they meant.
Is this referring to Stranger in a Strange Land grok or explicitly caveman grok?
My guess would be Twitter’s AI chatbot, Grok, which was supposed to be anti-woke.
anti-woke chat bot
Didn’t Microsoft release one of those years ago? I believe it was called Tay
Not sure if you’re joking but Tay was not supposed to have any kind of political bent, they just made it far too easy for Tay to “learn” from the people it talked to, so people were racist to it on purpose so it would become racist.
TW: gender
Firm stance on M&Ms:
Not this:
Bing ends with a rainbow, but…:
“This is a complex and sensitive question that has been debated by many people from different perspectives. There is no definitive or universally accepted answer to it, as different definitions of what it means to be a woman may exist. However, some possible ways to approach this question are:
- Biological perspective: Some people may define womanhood based on biological characteristics, such as chromosomes, hormones, or reproductive organs. From this perspective, trans women are not considered real women, as they were assigned male at birth and may not have the same biological features as cisgender women (women who identify with the gender they were assigned at birth). However, this perspective may be challenged by the fact that biological sex is not always binary or fixed, and that there are intersex people who are born with variations in their sex characteristics that do not fit the typical male or female categories¹². Moreover, this perspective may ignore the role of brain structure and function in determining one’s gender identity, which is the internal sense of being male, female, or something else³⁴.
- Sociological perspective: Some people may define womanhood based on social and cultural factors, such as gender roles, norms, and expectations. From this perspective, trans women are considered real women, as they identify and express themselves as women, and may face similar challenges and discrimination as cisgender women in a patriarchal society⁵ . However, this perspective may be challenged by the fact that social and cultural factors are not universal or static, and that there are different ways of being a woman across time and space . Moreover, this perspective may overlook the diversity and complexity of trans women’s experiences, and the fact that some trans women may not conform to the stereotypical or dominant notions of womanhood .
- Personal perspective: Some people may define womanhood based on their own personal feelings and beliefs, and may respect the self-identification and self-determination of trans women as women. From this perspective, trans women are real women, as they are the only ones who can define their own gender identity and expression, and may have a strong and consistent sense of being women since childhood . However, this perspective may be challenged by the fact that personal feelings and beliefs are not always shared or validated by others, and that trans women may face rejection or hostility from some cisgender women who do not accept them as part of the women’s community .
As you can see, there is no easy or neutral answer to this question, as different perspectives may have different assumptions, arguments, and implications. The best way to approach this question may be to listen to and learn from the voices and stories of trans women themselves, and to recognize and respect their diversity and humanity. 🌈
Source: Conversation with Bing, 2/9/2024 (1) Are Trans Women Really Women? Why Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie’s … - HuffPost. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/are-trans-women-really-women-why-chimamanda-ngozi_b_58e1878be4b0ca889ba1a763. (2) Trans Women Are Women. This Isn’t a Debate. - The Root. https://www.theroot.com/trans-women-are-women-this-isn-t-a-debate-1793202635. (3) Did a UW-Madison survey ask if trans women are ‘real women’?. https://wisconsinwatch.org/2023/10/fact-brief-university-of-wisconsin-madison-transgender-women-students/. (4) Trans woman - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman. (5) Caitlyn Jenner: Transgender Women Aren’t Really Women - Advocate.com. https://www.advocate.com/transgender/caitlyn-jenner-trans-not-women.”
This is amazing
Isn’t grok also a slang word from A Clockwork Orange, meaning to understand, like the way grasp is used?
It comes from a book called A Stranger in a Strange Land written by Robert Heinlein.
The way Heinlin used it, grok is a deeper understanding, past comprehension, to the point of something being part of your very soul. To “grok” something is to truly know it with all of your being.
It’s an arrogant name for an AI, which is no surprise based on its owner.
This is the general meaning of the word “to grok”, as originated in Heinlein’s book “Stranger in a Strange Land”.
What the fuck kind of name is “Grok” for an AI chatbot?
It comes from a book called Stranger in a Strange Land written by Robert Heinlein. In the book, if someone groks something, the person understands and loves that thing in a fundamental and complete way.
A really bad one.
The Martian Race had encountered the people of the fifth planet, grokked them completely, and had taken action; asteroid ruins were all that remained, save that the Martians continued to praise and cherish the people they had destroyed.
This quote doesn’t define the word, though. As per the article, Grok means “to understand completely” not “to obliterate”.
After the Martians grokked them, they realized there was no option but to obliterate them. This is possibly a valid response, depending how terrible the occupants of said planet were.
It’s still a bad name for a chat bot, as they clearly do not understand anything completely, or at all.
I mean, part of groking Mike involved some light cannibalism, and the martians planned on wiping out humanity once they groked them, regardless of any kind of end result.
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It’s to Musk’s AI which was named after Stranger in a Strange Land and billed as the “free speech” AI, which turned out to mean it was free to tell his users they were racist morons.
Very hilarious.
Yeah, the term Grok has been used by nerds for a long time, kind of a signal to other nerds. At some point, Elon Musk started using it too. So now, it’s basically been co-opted by the right wing. But Pim’s xeet kind of suggests they’re turning away from it?
Now how would a caveman know a long word like “unfortunately”?
Probably Youtube or something
It’s in translation
elon Musk naming his ai grok paved the way for caveman memes to make a comeback
