Chat Control didnt pass - they didnt even vote because they were afraid the result would be embarassing.
And we got told so many times, that EU now wants Chat Control. But it was a big fat lie.
EU is a democracy with different opinions, and when a small group of facists tries to read your chats, it does not represent the EU opinion.
But the whole media got you thinking so. Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.
I quoted the article here with the news:
In a major breakthrough for the digital rights movement, the German government has refused to back the EU’s controversial Chat Control regulation yesterday after facing massive public pressure.
The government did not take a position on the proposal.
This blocks the required majority in the EU Council, derailing the plan to pass the surveillance law next week.
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Yeah… no.
Germany switched to opposed partially because people knew about it and contacted their representatives.
They contacted their representatives because they heard about it… through the media.
Not going to downvote this because the source article is useful, but OP’s take is ludicrous. Have we really reached the point where ALL media is propaganda?
It might be time to unplug society and plug it back in again.
Have we really reached the point where ALL media is propaganda?
Always has been.
Are you mad that people got mad? Anger is not a subtle political instrument, a win is a win.
EU is a democracy with different opinions, and when a small group of facists tries to read your chats, it does not represent the EU opinion.
But the whole media got you thinking so. Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.
This is what the EU democracy opinion was as of July 2024 BTW, before the “media got to you”:
It didn’t pass because people pressured Germany to reject it. If Germany had stayed undecided they would definitely have had a vote on Chat Control and potentially passed it.
But even if they voted on it and even if it did pass. European courts probably would have stopped it immediately.
Maybe, but I’m much more comfortable with it failing as early as possible
That is the American approach to legislation: get in as many laws that favour you or your sponsors, and pray the courts let at least some of them through.
That’s not how this is meant to work. The courts shutting down a law is a last measure, when everything else has failed and hell’s about to break loose.
I mean duh but similar bad things have passed and got rejected by courts so it‘s a very functional mechanism. The EU isn‘t very comparable to the US system by the way.
Let’s not protest terrible ideas to not embarrass facists (who may or may not be part of your/our government) or what’s supposed to be the message here?
The message here is: “don’t believe when people start screaming that the EU is a fascist organisation that wants to subjugate the population”.
Because there was A LOT of that online when Chat Control reared its head.
The difference between a fascist government and a democratic government can be distressingly thin, something we should all be aware of by now.
In this case, the EU has just proven it is currently on the right side of that divide. When extremely unpopular and authoritarian ideas were considered, the public felt able to voice their disapproval and the government felt they had to listen. That is a crucial step. Good for you all.
Sadly it likely will continue to require major work to keep the public on guard against future attempts like this one, but that’s life.
Have you read the sources you posted?
Negotiations will now begin between the Parliament, the Council of the EU, which represents national governments, and the European Commission to determine the final shape of the law.
Nobody is mandating anything - yet.
Sure, it might end up like that, but - to date - the Commission has been rather sensible when it comes to such things. They also have the example of UK that shows that the law works against its intentions by driving people towards unregulated and more dangerous websites.
We’ll see how it goes.
That’s simply how any EU directive works: EU decides what must happen, and it’s up to the individual countries to put it into their respective laws.
That way people get angry at their federal government instead. Who can point their finger higher up. Who can then point to the countries specific implementation in their turn. It’s a neat trick. Nobody’s responsible for anything.
the law works against its intentions
When has that ever stopped a puritan?
EU decides what must happen, and it’s up to the individual countries to put it into their respective laws.
Wow, it’s so weird that the article you linked lied, then!
No, it’s saying that exact thing: online users of porn must be deanonymised on penalty of prison. To stop child abuse because that’s related somehow?
It’s just that the countries themselves must choose the particulates: who will do the deanonymisation, in what way, what will enforcement look like, etc.
That’s what they mean with “the final shape of the law hasn’t been determined yet”.
Every EU directive works that way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union)
A directive is a legal act of the European Union[1] that requires member states to achieve particular goals without dictating how the member states achieve those goals
In this case: the de-anonymisation must happen. Up to the respective countries to do the dirty work.
When people, rightfully, get angry the local politician will say “we had to because EU”. And the EU will say “well we didn’t say it had to be in that way, it’s your local politician that did that.”
Are you reading your own sources…?
A directive is a legal act of the European Union that requires member states to achieve particular goals without dictating how the member states achieve those goals
Considering (another quote from your own sources):
Negotiations will now begin between the Parliament, the Council of the EU, which represents national governments, and the European Commission to determine the final shape of the law
They might as well look at the UK, and go “OK, lets have the user click that they pinky promise they’re 18”.
Maybe I don’t understand, but the fact there is a vote for it (or even just talk about it) is enough for me to warrant everyones immediate action.
I’m glad the media got this to our attention asap, because we were able to react quickly (and stop this… hopefully its stopped and wont continue or come back).
Edit: commented then read others, think ppl agree with this and they say it better than I have.
P.s. i really don’t like this post and hopefully it doesn’t change anyones mind about action on this type of stuff in the future… we need action and to keep fightijg to keep our freedoms.
“let your motto be ‘eternal vigilance is the price we pay for liberty.’”
Freedom dies in the silence of the many at the hands of the few. We must always be adamant with opposition, because it’s hard to undo what has been done. The easiest way to put the genie back in the bottle is never letting it out in the first place.
Would the outcome have been the same without people in the media repeatedly bringing this to everyone’s attention? Probably not, because there would have been no public pressure against it, while the shadow groups that want this would have still been lobbying the politicians.
Something bad is going to happen.
Some people advocate to stop that bad thing.
Even more people are holding their clutches that the bad thing might happen.
Because of public pressure, action is undertaken to prevent the bad thing from happening.
Thanks to those efforts, the bad thing is successfully averted.Some random person: that bad thing was never going to happen, look at all those gullible people who were panicking over nothing, we could have just done nothing and the outcome would have been the same.
Also known as the “preparedness paradox”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preparedness_paradox
👆 exactly
I think you should never take these things lightly.
It’s better to be too cautious than not cautious enough, especially since there are powerful interest groups that want mass surveillance.
The people don’t want that, of course, but many politicians do, as evidenced by the fact that Palantir is being introduced in Germany, of all places, and completely illegally. This must be prevented, and the population has a role to play in this—for example, with petitions like this one, which already has more than 400,000 signatures: Trump software Palantir: Stop surveillance plans
What kind of nonsense is this writeup? Media “got to me”? Look, you see Denmark? You see how it’s in support of chat control?
Yeah, that’s my country. So it’s a rather serious issue here.
Troll post. Not falling for it. Bye.
A lot. A. Lot.
All that trouble to clown people… uses “alot”.
Kills me 🙃😘
Thank goodness for no Chat Control. Shit’s straight-up Bozo Time.
They’re bound to try again in a few months.
just like y2k was just a media hoax, since it didnt happen?
There’s no media about the EU in USA. Nobody gives a crap. The “news” is all just fascist propaganda about how genocide is good and windmills cause tornados.
Wait, have people been setting their windmills to the tornado mode? I always thought it odd to have that setting.
Why in the world would this be talking about the USA?
Maybe like everyone else that poster was confused what the actual fuck OP was on about
