I thought people liked using Apple products because of the premium experience that ecosystem provides.
They did. Someone at the top has been ruining that experience lately.
I switched from Google to Apple back in 2018 and the royal fucking up lately is making me start looking at how to go back.
I’m really disappointed with the direction and lack of quality from Apple these last few years.
well bad news, Google is going to be going walled garden soon as well, so the only options for apps will be google-approved ones. you can bet those options are going to quickly enshitify once you don’t have a choice in using them.
I’m getting a Linux phone soon so I can get out of this duopoly entirely.
2026 is the year of the Linux phone
I switched in 2021. I havent noticed any fuckupery. Whats been happening ?
Fuck I just started using it because of how horribly shit google maps has become
If you don’t need traffic data, CoMaps (uses OpenStreet Map data).
If you do need traffic data (understandable) Magic Earth is what I use. It’s unfortunately not fully open source, only the map data is from OSM, but I find the navigation good 95% of the time, sometimes you have to make your own judgement for if a route might have bad traffic. At least it’s not Google or Apple, and no ads.
I don’t do car play, so I have no idea about how that works.
I wish we had better alternatives
or that cars all exploded and we went to public transport and walkable citiesSupposedly comaps has carplay support as of like 2 months ago, according to a page on their website
Thanks for the suggestions! I’ll look into it
If you don’t need traffic data, CoMaps (uses OpenStreet Map data).
If you do need traffic data (understandable) Magic Earth is what I use. It’s unfortunately not fully open source, only the map data is from OSM, but I find the navigation good 95% of the time, sometimes you have to make your own judgement for if a route might have bad traffic. At least it’s not Google or Apple, and no ads.
I don’t do car play, so I have no idea about how that works.
I wish we had better alternatives
or that cars all exploded and we went to public transport and walkable cities
“What the fuck you gonna do? Use Android?!??! Fuck you and and be happy about it” - Tim Apple, probably
Sundar Pichai: “Huh, well I guess we’ll just follow Tim Apple’s lead and start injecting ads in google maps and anyone who uses google maps API too.”
There are already ads in Google Maps, there is nothing for them to follow.
Doesn’t Google Maps have ads?
I don’t know. Probably.
The answer you’re looking for is, “Of course it does!”
Doesn’t Google Maps have ads?
I know this is my own personal experience, but diehard Apple fans in my circle have started to say, “Fuck Apple.” I think they’re PR and goodwill is finally running out.
Steve Jobs, for all his other problems, knew how to run a company and held to the idea that they needed to make good products. He kept the prices fairly low for what they were, and they even decreased over time for many of their products. He wouldn’t allow unfinished products to be released which is a big reason why I always laughed at Android people who claimed “first” with their buggy, shitty versions of the reliable thing Apple made a couple years later.
But then for some reason he let Tim Cook, who had been an idiot at Apple for a long time and Job’s knew it, take over. Since then prices have sky-rocketed and the company has started releasing stuff that just isn’t up to the standards they held in the past. He even took power away from the guy who had come up with Apple’s iconic aesthetic.
Whether or not people want to admit, Apple made excellent products and the customers aren’t nearly as stupid as people want to believe. So when shit like this happens we understandably get pissed because, surprise, many of us actually have been paying attention.
So much for the “Apple is all about privacy whereas Google monetizes you” schtick.
OpenStreetMap for the win, my peoples.
Specifically OSMAnd.
Works perfectly as long as you already know where you’re going!
Google maps only ever knew where you were going because Ingress players and Google “local guides” filled in all the data for them.
Update the out of date data. Its not hard and the more people use it the more accurate the places data will be.
You can complain about why google works better if you want to, but it still does.
Your response also ignores the fundamental problem: even when the data is in open street maps, the search still sucks. No, I didn’t mean any of 20 things in Italy, I meant the Italian restaurant a mile away.
I use OSMAnd and the search is a lot better, not sure what client you are using.
Oh I’m running osmand~ and comaps and magic earth.
And by running I mean I occasionally confirm its still not good enough yet
It is a trade off though.
I may not be able to see the “nearest restaurants with reviews of 4 stars that are open now with no wait times” BUT I have been so many places where google or apple had not updated the map yet and only OSM got me where I was going.
So maybe it is fine to open a commercial map or local review site, or blog, or web page, that is not tracking you for store discovery, then put the address in OSM to actually get there.
And take the time to use street complete when you can, it is really easy and fills in things like hours open, accessibility, etc.
StreetComplete to help fill in the gaps. GeoShare to translate google/apple maps locations to geocoordinates for OSM, and then adding the place in OSMAnd if you login with the OpenStreetMaps editor plugin. This is how those of us who adopted Google Maps early added so much of their data…
It is a trade off though.
I may not be able to see the “nearest restaurants with reviews of 4 stars that are open now with no wait times” BUT I have been so many places where google or apple had not updated the map yet and only OSM got me where I was going.
So maybe it is fine to open a commercial map or local review site, or blog, or web page, that is not tracking you for store discovery, then put the address in OSM to actually get there.
And take the time to use street complete when you can, it is really easy and fills in things like hours open, accessibility, etc.
Whotf even used Apple Maps lol
LosersPeople deep in the apple ecosystem. There’s a surprising number these days.
I’m sure that will really annoy all seven people that use it…
what do people think of Organic Maps?
It’s pretty good I just wish it had more ads
Awesome! Also Magic Earth. And CalTopo, too!
Still not serious about their maps eh.
I still remember all those Apple Maps memes.
you say that like google doesn’t do this even worse.
stupid because people literally pay alot of money for Apple tech,but maybe greed got into them.
cackles maniacally in GrapheneOS
if pixel phones weren’t so expensive id i get one just for graphene
I don’t know if it’s my phone or wifi, when home, but Apple Maps will often be incredibly slow, or just refuse to display tiles when I zoom in or out. Particularly if I change the zoom by quite a bit in one action. It’s very frustrating.
Wow, so brave.
