Too late assholes… I’m already deleting most of the posts I made on my discord and I will be migrating elsewhere soon.
People need to realize that this isn’t JUST a Discord issue. This is a policy issue AS WELL. Fucking pay attention to the politics around you. And this isn’t just a United States issue as well.
this is true… its not just Discord… politics are pushing hard on tech… like Facebook, Google, well everything basically… They want to push age verification everywhere.
Its really dangerous, and I will never comply (even though I have nothing to hide). I already deleted my discord. I will not join back anymore. Its too late already.
Each chat, social network or anything that is trying to implement this -> ACCOUNT DELETED.
Edit: Discord’s preparation to go public with an IPO… So go away from discord now.
What I’m saying isn’t that you should or shouldn’t delete social media accounts. What I’m saying is that eventually they’re all going to HAVE to do it to be able to operate within certain countries. The account deletion/boycott/etc isn’t enough, you have to go after the political leaders that are FORCING companies into these deals cause governments are GOING to continue to go after companies to force the whole of the internet into surveilling users. Policy and laws need to be changed. The work HAS to be done.
I just host my own open source instances. Like matrix for chat. And mbin for the fediverse. This is how I now communicate with you.
No age verification. Mbin will never implement it either. And matrix won’t either. Otherwise I will fork matrix also.
Good for you, honestly. But not the point I’m trying to make at all.
Yea I got your point
You must never comply ESPECIALLY if you have nothing to hide. They are treating innocent people like terrorists and criminals and this is not acceptable.
I pray that the impetus from all this results in overturning all of the (allegedly) anti-terrorist legislation made post 9/11 (post 2000 in some cases).
You must never comply ESPECIALLY if you have nothing to hide.
I agree. I just mentioned it explicitly, since I was afraid of responses like… Ow… Do you hide something?
ahem… politics is NOT pushing on tech…
tech is pushing and telling politics what to do. tech controls politics now
Well… I dunno well… I think both. I believe nobody wants to be responsible and they just point to each other 🤔
This is the way.
I’m just going to repeat myself for the hundredth time here. This is exactly what happens when you define words in such broad terms. Social media does not include things like discord. It doesn’t include Reddit, it doesn’t include Lemmy. But because so many damn people just refer to any site that they can talk with other people on as social media, it became enshrined in law and now literally every service you touch is legally defined as social media.
This is not hyperbole; with the current definitions across numerous countries, Amazon (the place where you buy things, not other services like games) is legally defined as social media.
Words mean things and when words are hijacked for other purposes it allows governments to strip away your rights without you realizing.
Okay, I’m gonna ask: why is reddit not social media?
It’s a forum. Just like all the other forums before it. It just happened to get very popular. To be clearer: if you define Reddit as social media then you are including almost every single website on the planet. It makes the definition completely pointless.
Regulations shouldn’t be defined in this way.
Words don’t have meanings. Meanings have words.
Amazon the internet megastore allows non-employees of Amazon to add content to their store. Both as supposed vendors offering goods for services and as customers giving reviews and ratings to such store listings. And Amazon chooses what listings to show to users through opaque algorithms.
Can you give an example of the sort of regulation a social media site should need to follow which Amazon should be exempt from? Or the sort of rule that should bind reddit and Facebook but not Amazon?
Can you give an example of the sort of regulation a social media site should need to follow which Amazon should be exempt from? Or the sort of rule that should bind reddit and Facebook but not Amazon?
A better question is what sort of legislation should apply to every website on the planet, without exception. Because that’s what the current definition does, makes the law so broad as to be pointless. Why are laws being passed that affect every website, when the problem is a few very massive websites.
A better question is what sort of legislation should apply to every website on the planet, without exception.
Off the top of my head:
- Do not store user information in an unsecure or identifiable mechanism.
- Be transparent as to what parts of the page are ads and which aren’t.
- Follow best-practices for accessibility.
- Give @DomeGuy a lollipop if he asks.
So I kinda walked away from this to think about what’s being said a bit and I just kinda have to disagree? Like, being clear and concise and accurate in defining something is hella important… to the people that care about those things. The thing we see though isn’t lacking definitions, especially in a legal sense, but people not pushing back enough whenever bad actors start bringing up terrible arguments. There are people out there that you can bring up the best, most logical points in the world and they will still twist and twist and twist until your original point is lost. We can make the most robust, perfect definitions and some people will STILL either find ways around it or completely ignore what was rationally established. The definition doesn’t matter, the problem is fascists want to monitor the world and make whoever they want disappear and people kinda just let it happen.
And to be clear, I’m trying to say you’re completely wrong. Defining things is important to establish a shared common framework of understanding and policy making and regulations are SO SO SO IMPORTANT cause they save lives in more than just one way, but problem isn’t clear cut to be solved with “we need to define things better.” We have a culture issue. Culture issues need more than one approach to resolve.
I disagree. By definition social media is “new media technology that facitilates the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and networks” so Reddit and Lemmy are social networks.
There are several subkinds of social networks some are worse for kids (and adults) than others. Most sites in the internet don’t allow users to create and share content, online newspaper only may allow users to comment but the content comes from “journalists” and collaborators.
Discord is used like a forum though, with chat capabilities but it’s social at it’s core.
And by that definition you include every website on the planet. Your blog, the comment section of your local news, etc.
Just because you think that news sites comment sections aren’t included doesn’t mean that definition doesn’t include it, cause it does. That applies to that entire definition.
No it doesn’t. It’s in plural. A blog is a single person creating and sharing, others may comment but that’s it. It’s a single person (well it can be many authors but that’s covered in the newspaper example), that’s why I used newspaper sites, they don’t facilitate the creation, sharing and aggregation of content amongst virtual communities and network.
Reddit, facebook, instagram, tiktok, lemmy allows people to create communities, content and sharing. A blog allows ONE person to publish stuff, rarely it builds a community but it can happen, so can happen if you manage to read my diary with a bunch of strangers.
The definition you quoted comes from a 2010 business paper that literally states that it includes blogs. So yes, it does, because that’s where all these business and political morons got the definition.
If you create a website, then you are sharing content. And if people read that content then you have created a network. That’s the “definition” according to the government.
But that’s not what social media ever meant. Honestly I’m not going to argue this again, if you really want to see the true nexus of what social media was and is you can read my previous comments on the matter. I’m sure you can find them in my profile.
Suffice to say, social media is an incredibly narrow subset of social networks and the internet isn’t a social network though it is a “network where people are social”.
It’s all the same for me. It doesn’t matter, whether it’s discord, games, reddit, lemmy, Mastodon, mbin, X, Facebook. It’s all the same and also at the not the same.
But in the end it’s all software. I hope that we can agree with. And this software is empowering people. And politics don’t like that…
I vote for this guy for president.
I grew up with certain words meaning certain things. Then I get older, and suddenly, those words are gone, new words exist, old words mean new things, medical terms are now no longer medical terms and just purely an insult derived from a definition that didn’t used to define the root word. Pluto isn’t a planet. Instead of 9 planets, there are now an unknown number at least in the thousands. There’s like 4 other Earths.
Language shouldn’t change over time. It can adapt, but I should know that grass is green. Not grass is plubertatude. A word I just made up for the demonstration of absurdity. Nothing wrong with grass being green.
why downvote this comment?
This is misleading. Discord is not reversing course. It was in their original announcement that they would try to automatically determine everyone’s age and “most” people won’t need to do any sort of verification. A lot of people and journalists didn’t read that far apparently.
What you mean there clear and comprehensive announcement? Yeah that didn’t happen, this is on them.
They still haven’t really provided any information. They say most users won’t have to verify, how many is “most”.
So they’re going to scan everything you do with AI to figure out how old you are instead. Not really better.
Not to mention, even if it proves satisfactory to the existing userbase, any new users will start with no history to draw inferences from, wouldn’t that tend to imply that any existing users unaffected are essentially “grandfathered in”, but with the same privacy concerns for everyone else in the long run?
They already do this for advertising. And it is extremely accurate.
If Discord cared about this, they’d use the same identity platforms governments use. For example, in the US, id.me is a requirement for many federal services. While it does deanonymize me and there are privacy concerns expanding this tech beyond government services, I trust id.me to take my data security seriously. It has to have federal security requirements. If their data is breached, there will be repercussions and reparations.
Discord, on the other hand, uses random vendors. There were no repercussions or reparations for the previous leak. Discord said moving forward they’d require SOC2 Type II or ISO 27001 for vendors. Crucially, neither of these certifications matter a fucking iota for personally identifiable information and Discord itself will not be completely them so even if the vendors were PII secure Discord will not hold itself to the same standards. Discord does not care about its users; Discord only cares about the ad revenue this will open up.
Nope I don’t trust them to use a US-based service. Also I don’t think they’re even allowed to as under EU law as all data held on users must be held on EU servers, so that solution wouldn’t be a one size fits all.
If Discord cared about this, they’d use the same identity platforms governments use. For example, in the US
I don’t think there is a one-size solution which is why I said Discord should use the same platforms plural that govts use. A solution for France isn’t going to be the same solution for the US. Because Discord is not actively attempting to use solutions (again plural) that have repercussions and reparations attached, like the ones governments use that require healthy standards, it’s very clear Discord does not actually care about this problem.
If they cared about handling of PII they should require ISO 27701
Oh absolutely. More importantly Discord needs to also follow the standard, not just require it of their vendors. Granted this source is the only place I can find they’re requiring that so that might not actually be true. It kinda reads like an AI summary.
Decentralize and federate or die.
Deleting posts is just setting visibility to 0. They still exist, and you should assume they exist forever.
Sorry but I’m not clicking a link ending in .ai
I’ll wait for another source.
What do you have against the British overseas territory of Anguilla? Ultra-specific geographical prejudice.
Archive link for the article: https://archive.ph/JN2sD
I’m good bro.
It looks like you’re using a DNS server that archive.ph sabotages (1.1.1.1, 9.9.9.9, etc.) not that the website is unsafe. Also, if you’re that concerned about your privacy I recommend using a VPN such as Mullvad (and their DNS server isn’t sabotaged by archive.ph!)
Could this be it? I forgot I have the dns with a filter list to try block ads and trackers at the dns level.
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DIscord: GUYs! You’ll NEVER BELIEVE THIS!!! Instead of invasively reading out every one of your personal identifications and selling the data on your likes/dislikes, we can ACTUALLY just use an AI to tell if you’re a child by how your interact with people!!!
Us: Maybe you could have the AI just stop the stalkers.
Discord:
Does Discord even have an community relations department, because they suck. Seriously what a stupid decision to just announce age verification and then provide no additional details or context.
This
clarificationpathetic attempt at backpedalling, isn’t much better either, they’ve still provided essentially no information on exactly what the process is going to be, and exactly how it is going to work. I also do not like the fact that they’re basically just giving up on any attempts to implement this themselves, and are going with third party solutions. We all know that “third party solutions” means the lowest bidder, so this will be implemented poorly with no operational security, and absolutely will result in a data breach.I created my account at least 15 years ago so if they require age verification from me they’re idiots.
wreaks of “fuck you got mine”… so an invasive AI scan has scanned your content and deemed you 18+… gross… but at least you don’t have to upload ID (to a company that literally just had a major breach of their ID data)
but
now a new user joins. they don’t have that history of interaction, so what are they meant to do? either upload ID or not be part of their community
My best guess is new accounts will be autolocked to ‘teen mode’ and you will have to upload ID if you want to unlock it
I was working as a support agent on Epic Games when they decided to limit everyone underage on certain functions on Fortnite. They now ask for your birthday when you open the game and if you are underage (the age varies by country) it will lock your account until you can prove you are an adult (using a 3rd party service)
The cat has been let out of the bag. I’m still moving somewhere else once I figured out where with friends.
They haven’t though.
They’ve just restated the exact same thing but then added on hollow empty promises of “this time we’ll be better, I swear!”
Yep. Too late, i fucking deleted that shit without hesitation or regret.
Bro it might even be worse because they gotta watch your every move to implement this shit. I’m moving to fluxer.appThey were watching already… Feeding it through an AI changes nearly nothing…
I’ve not seen anyone mention fluxer before, have you been using it long, is it as good as their website claims? Seems strange no one else has mentioned it in many of the discord replacement threads going around if its as good as the website makes it sound.
Its amazing bro for real, if you want you can join our community and see how good that is with your own eyes
I’m afraid Fluxer might snap and turn money chasers too. Buy until they do, I might try it.
There is also GameVox
I think their business model is sustainable without massive privacy breaches like discord did in order to satisfy the investors. Its nice because its a really indipendent service that’s also planning to add the ability for everyone to host their own decentraluized servers
Do you want to join the community i am building with a friend? Its a community about the fediverse
Never really used discord in the first place. I tried to join a few support threads for random gizmos that had no forums but realized that its a terrible place for support compared to forums. The whole UI was just chaotic to me as well.
downvotted for saying the truth, every software community should be OFF discord and setup a forum
It is bizarre how they all fled reddit when they got greedy, so ran off and set up on Discord instead. So now you get a procession of users with the same 4 questions over and over.
