Is this like the previous theory that Windows 12 would be subscription based?
“The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”
Saying “copilot is like the start button” is not saying “copilot will replace the start button”, the article is dishonest clickbait and stupid.
This is just MS taking another kick at Cortana, this time powered by LLM generative AI.
Remember those times when Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows, as it will get to a free “Windows-as-a-Service” model? My ass, now
I can’t find the words to describe how absolutely fucking disgusted I am with the fact that we don’t even have 11 out in full swing and they’re talking about selling us 12 after the “10 would be the last” bullshit.
For fucks sake microturd, get your shit together and stop trying to bleed everyone dry… We know literally every other company in the world is doing that, but it doesn’t make it right… :/
This rage bait bullshit was debunked a long time ago, they never claimed 10 would be last and there’s no official word on 12 being Saas, all of this shit is just mad-boy anger fuel.
You make it sound like it’s not rocket surgery /s
For people upset about the 10-is-the-last-version thing, even though where they said it was not an official communication and was probably either misstated or misunderstood, the tech media picked up on it and Microsoft knew that’s what people thought they said and they did nothing to dispel that notion, at all.
So on that one, there was a good reason to think that’s what they said, and since they let that very common misconception that was actively reported in the tech news media continue without any attempt to correct, the anger is every bit as justified as if Microsoft did actually say it.
They didn’t. That was an “evangelist” talking to Devs one time and the media ran with it.
They didn’t seem to dissuade anyone of the notion, but they never repeated it officially.But it fits my narrative so I will believe in it
-Lemmy/Reddit 2.0
This post needs to be somehow tagged as misleading. Too many people are going to accept the headline at face value.
Given Microsoft’s track record, it’s also not hard to believe, which makes it even worse
I too, think the Windows start menu is way too responsive and not buggy enough. /s
What are you talking about, it always takes me to the right website when I search for the app I just installed!
It used to be when it was basically just a folder of shortcuts. Since the metro interface the start menu has been getting worse and slower.
I only know of Win 7 and Win 10, never touch 8, 8.1 nor 11. I still use win10 at work and the start menu is very odd. I like to use the win key to summon the menu and search, but the behavior is very inconsistant, sometimes it’s fast, sometimes very slow, sometimes I can search, sometimes not, sometimes it gives me the file/app i am looking for, and sometimes it decides to go for bing results. I must admit, I actully never ever navigate the menu itself appart from turning off the laptop. It is a very slow and inefficient design element in my opinon.
Weirdly enough the windows 11 start menu has gotten better.
I personally don’t find anything I like about the win11 start menu, it feels like such a huge step backwards to me
This might just be the push I need to switch to Linux desktop.
Do it. With proton the last argument for me to use windows is gone (gaming).
Can you run Adobe software via proton? As soon as that works I’ll be on Linux.
Look at your usecase, if it really requires adobe suite, you are out of luck i’m afraid. Perhaps you could research running a VM or wine, but I havent tried any of that myself.
If you conclude that you dont need features exclusive to adobe you might be able to find a foss alternative.
I need Lightroom and I’ve tried Darktable but it just doesn’t cut it.
Perhaps you could research running a VM
It works very well, especially if you pass through your GPU and storage. I can even use this setup for Gaming, no significant performance loss compared to Windows. It’s awesome.
No, but there are better alternatives to adobe that don’t hog your ram harder then triple a games
Depends one what you need to do, there are some areas in which adobe still has a monopoly
roblox:
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I spent the last ~10 days “playing” with many distros, including testing some current games, and I am literally right now backing up my files and about to reformat my main PC to linux (full drive, no dual). This is after only having experience with copy-paste Raspberry PI guides for my pi-hole.
Don’t totally believe “oh it’s so easy, nothing to configure” - those people are lying, especially if you’ve not used Linux before. But several flavors of Ubuntu are quite pleasant, and I appear to have found a home with PopOS. I can’t find anything that “doesn’t work”, and the worst fixes were just quick searches for help. PopOS won due to nvidia compatibility and a nice, snappy desktop. It also was the fastest in overall reformat cycle time. My wife’s computer is still Windows, if I do have any microsoft emergencies.
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is rather easy.
But anyway, no mainstream user-friendly Linux distribution is that hard to use if you can read and think.
So when people say that they can’t manage one on their desktop - they also usually can’t manage Windows on their desktop, they just think they can.
if you’re using windows in 2023, I doubt it
I use Windows, macOS, and Linux, but all in separate ways. Haven’t used a desktop Linux in quite some time — only headless Linux servers.
Every day we stray closer to Linux.
I use arch btw
All the “X company may/could/might” and “X plans on this” news feel like they’re just feeling for a reaction from the public to see what they can and can’t get away with. If it gets too much push back, they just put it on the shelf and boil the frogs for longer before trying again, like with Google and WEI. It’s tiring. Stop being evil you corpo fucks.
“Stop being evil you corpo fucks.”
Narrator: this proved to be as possible as empathetic capitalism, that is to say, physically and theoretically impossible.
This type of information, encourages me to move quickly to a linux distro of choice.
Agreed. I have already been contemplating it. When they finally brick my Windows 10 desktop I will be switching for sure.
encourages me to move quickly to a linux distro of choice.
Fedora, Steam, Bottles.
Fedora/KDE for the quality support and stability of your Linux distro, Steam for, well, Steam, and Bottles for non-Steam games, that still lets you launch those games from inside Steam.
I almost switched around the 2007 to 2010 timeframe but they got a lot better with 7 and PowerShell closed the deal for me.
I’m now working more Linux into my daily usage to get a feel for what I’d need to do if I switch, and start solving those problems now, because if they do go this way, I’m probably going to jump ship. And they’ve made it even easier since I can still have PowerShell and C# and .NET on Linux now!
Only thing I use Start button for is to turn off the PC. The search is unusable and all shortcuts are in my task bar anyways.
I’m not a Microsoft fan by any means but I’ve not had any real issues with Start menu searching for well over five years.
I just use it to search for the program I want to launch and it’s done that pretty fluidly. To the point where that’s basically all the start menu is for me. If they switch it to copilot without a way to disable it then I’ll probably permanently switch over to Linux when it’s time for an OS rebuild.
It works inconsistently for me to the point that I just can’t rely on it.
I can give a very recent example, my W11 has also be freshly installed and there’s not much stuff installed yet.
I have portable version of HWinfo located in My Documents folder.
If I start typing “hwi” into search it will sometimes find it, sometimes it will find it only if I type “hw” but not find it if I type “hwi” so if I type fast I must then delete character… And sometimes it needs me to type whole name of the application and sometimes it won’t find anything no matter what I type.
Then there is Riva Tuner Statistics Server which is an installed application located on C: in Program Files folder. It launches with RTSS.exe… It may as well not exist for Windows search because no matter what I type it can’t ever find it.
For me the trick was to disable web search. I don’t remember how I did it but you can Google it. Then it was really nice and fast, as it should’ve always been
gotta love an OS which costs money and you have to disable features like web search for the fricking search to function properly
He probably just didn’t have the program in the start menu, it’s a box you check in the wizard.
Unfortunately it has a habit of jumping around due to its asynchronous weird fuzzy search. So when typing fast you sometimes randomly launch the wrong action. It is especially inconsistent, because files are also indexed and by default it also includes web searches so the behavior is always changing.
I believe this got introduced with Windows 10 and feels just bad. Unless you are typing slowly and actually scan the results the search is doing a bad job as an application launcher like it was with Windows 7 for example.
Gotta just make an icon on the desktop that dies a full shutdown, full especially because Microsoft basically made that harder to do. Now I just double click an icon and call it a day.
Did you put the application in the start menu during install?
Linux-onlyists have a tendency to not learn how anything works and then blame the “bad workflow” of the OS, so it’s kind of difficult to just assume you didn’t make a mistake.
yeah, I use my start button all the time to quickly open stuff. Hit start, start typing the program name, hit enter because it shows up immediately as a suggestion. super quick with no need to touch the mouse
I wish I could upvote many times - does anyone do this differently? Does Microsoft think “maybe if we make a useless search with ai instead of bing, people will use it?”
“Replace the start button”
For those who don’t know: Windows 8.0 did this.
8.1 came out a few months later
MS was enshityfying before there was a word for it.
I might replace Microsoft with Linux in Windows 12
I had this exact thought. It may actually be “The year of the Linux Desktop.”
Only if it’s shipping as the default OS on hundreds of millions of new devices, and easy enough that a 65 yo can install their 12 year old copy of TurboTax software on it, while their grandson plays Roblox on it. :P
Gotta be usable by the lowest common denominator before the return window at a rural BestBuy is up.
I’ve just done exactly that, now dual booted with Linux mint, once I iron out the (specifically my) kinks, win10 will get put in a VM for emergencies.
Meanwhile in the category of “useless bullshit nobody asked for” we have Microsoft. Again.
Time to experiment with Linux again. Still haven’t settled on a distro that I liked 100%.
been distrohoping for a long time, tumbleweed kde changed that…
been using it for almost 2 years now.Tumbleweed KDE is definitely sweet. Can also recommend Fedora.
Shop around with desktop and distro, but remember it’s not Windows. If you’re looking for it to be Windows, you’re never be happy with it. There is Windows things to unlearn.
TBH you don’t have to find the perfect distro - just one that is better than the BS Microsoft peddles. And that gets easier and easier.
Way to increase usage of Linux, good job Microsoft
Well in that case I might replace windows 12 with not using windows 12
A few weeks ago when they made the search bar come back after I had told it to go away I switched to Linux. It’s weird the small annoyances that add up. It’s great so far. With KDE for the desktop environment, you can make it look however you want, including almost identical to any version of windows you want. It’s really quite usable, and generally I’m already faster and more comfortable with it than I was with windows.
XP gang
Botnet gang :/
Yeah, don’t use old versions of Windows (or any OS really). Upgrade to Win 10/11 or install Linux (or something else that’s supported).
Windows 12 is already a failure and it hasn’t even been formally announced yet. Congrats Microsoft! You’ve successfully failed for the second time in a row to deliver a windows version that most users actually like even to the slightest bit.
I guess the actual YOTLD will finally arrive after 20 years.
Fourth, fifth if we count 8.1
Everyday I’m happier and happier I have migrated away from Windows.
