Literally every single person that I talked to that seriously tried an EV (like, as a daily driver for some time, not just the rental you had for a day) said they were never going back to combustion engines.
I don’t have an EV, but I can imagine it would be nice to not have to go to the gas station once a week.
I’ve had an EV for a couple of years and had to rent a gas car on a trip recently. I was prepared for the expensive fuel, I wasn’t prepared for how shit it was to drive.
See, an EV’s electric motor and (usually) single reduction gear means you get basically the same acceleration between 5 km/h and 120 km/h. You can put your foot down slightly and forget you’re accelerating because it feels just like sitting in a stationary car on a hill. How far you push the accelerator is how much acceleration you get. Unless you’re getting wheel spin or you’re at the car’s power limit, that’s all there is to it.
A gasser has an engine with different performance depending on RPM and a gearbox that provides different performance based on which gear it’s in and changes according to it’s own logic. You’re just used to this when you drive one all the time, but for me it was awful the way I’d put my foot down and get nothing, then engine noise, then some power, then a lurch and more power and another lurch and less power. The accelerator pedal is a suggestion, mostly disconnected from what the car actually chooses to do.
an EV’s electric motor and (usually) single reduction gear means you get basically the same acceleration between 5 km/h and 120 km/h
Same torque, not same acceleration. Air and roll resistance have something to say too.
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That’s not how things work.
I charge mine 80% of the time off the solar panels on my roof here in Australia. Making your own fuel is quite the thing.
Another 10% is overnight on a cheap tariff
and the other 10% public charging on longer trips.
We need to separate the feeling of driving from practicality. EVs are pleasant to drive for sure. Having to plan your trips around charging is annoying, there isn’t really much progress there.
The only reason I want a car is to do spontaneous trips to less populated areas. I already have range anxiety, I top up as soon as I’m below 1/3 of the tank. Batteries make it worse.I drive an EV, and planning around driving habits is simply not a thing for me. It’s hooked up to its 230v charger and will be ready at 100% charge every morning. I drive the 50km to work and back for about 25% worth of charge. There’s a few public chargers on the way to work and almost anywhere I care to go. Range anxiety is waaay overblown in my opinion.
Range anxiety is waaay overblown
in my opinionfor how you use your vehicle.People use there vehicles in a lot of different ways. That’s why there’s a bunch of different size, body style, and powertrain options available for vehicles.
Sorry, but can’t relate. Had that feeling for the first few trips until the first one where we drove so much more efficiently that we deliberately did not take the first planned stop. I rode shotgun, so I then looked for alternative spots to charge, just to see that there are so many in my country that having planned those routes in the first place literally doesn’t make sense.
Since then we just drive. Once we get below 50 km remaining range, we check some map app for the next charger. Like we did with gas stations.
Also, coming from practicality… it’s just so nice not to have to use gas stations. Like, you usually just always start whatever you do with a full battery because you just charge it overnight. No gas stops on my commute is quite practical.
It’s ok if u can’t relate, different people and places have different needs. Where I live there are areas where if you don’t fill your tank, you won’t make it to the next fuel stop. And no, the trees don’t have charging cables hanging off them. If you can do it that’s awesome, but they don’t work for people in rural cold climates quite yet! I’d love to have an “EV” hybrid thing with a smaller battery and a diesel on board generator, zero range anxiety and bonus points if the generator is an old mechanical diesel that can run veggie oil or used oil from my other shit boxes or various biofuels. Sure it won’t be as clean as a true EV but I bet it would be more efficient than a gas car.
I can’t share that feeling. My country has a law that every parking garage and parking lot must have chargers and often a fast charger is installed. I really have to go a few countries over to a place that’s not full of chargers.
Oh no, I have to stop for 15 minutes after four hours of driving, every time I drive more than four hours at a time.
I have anxiety right now just thinking about the next time I have to spend that 15 minutes in a couple months from now.
Do you think I can save up all the times I don’t stop for gas between now and then and use that as some sort of credit towards that time?
You wish it was 15 min
Surprisingly it is. The trip planner on my car tries to keep you on the steep part of the charging curve and has never planned more than 20 minutes.
It’s actually kind of annoying since you want to do something while waiting but it’s not long enough
- one long stop I walked a couple times around Walmart but didn’t have time to shop
- another long stop the time was up before we found the food court so I had to stay longer
- I witnessed true southern hospitality where i tried to walk a couple blocks while waiting at a longer stop, but some business opened their gate to let me cut through
It’s actually kind of annoying since you want to do something while waiting but it’s not long enough
You know you’re the boss of the car and not the other way around right? :p
Yeah, often it’s shorter. Sometimes you don’t need another 70% battery to finish your trip.
Having to plan your trips around charging is annoying, there isn’t really much progress there.
Do people do this? Sure I was anxious when I first got my EV, but the reality is very different. I try to remember to click the charge limit on my app from the usual 80% to 100% the night before but that’s all the planning I ever do.
Do other cars not have this integrated into trip planning? When I use the GPS to set a route, it just automatically adds waypoints for charging when necessary. I never need to think about it. Maybe I haven’t gone rural enough yet, I don’t know
And trip planning has never called for more than 20 minutes at a supercharger, trying to keep me on the steep part of the charging curve.
Where’s the beef?
you always leave with a full charge as you can charge at home overnight, so that helps
If you’re rich enough to have a house where you can charge at home, sure. If you’re in an apartment you’re probably out of luck there.
Yeah I will never go back.
I still have my ICE car for my kids, and have been tempted to upgrade them …… but there’s no point spending money to replace a perfectly functional car only 9 years old, and most importantly just sits while they are away at school
don’t wait, upgrade the kids already.
Assuming the phrasing is intentional, I love it. LoL
But taking it more seriously it has been really tempting. But if get one kid a car I need to get both kids a car to be fair. If each kid has a car I run out of excuses to not let them take it to college. It becomes a whole thing for a whole lot of money
I hope to never buy another. We have an ICE minivan as a second car and it compliments our compact EV well. But 10/10 I prefer driving and maintaining the EV. I always knew EVs were quick, but I didn’t expect how quiet they would be. I can actually hear my music.
I disagree. I have had an EV since 2018 and I can honestly say I never want another one. My next vehicles going forward will be ICE 100%.
I’m also going to make sure that they are older and have little to no infotainment / internet connected systems.
A sub year 2000. Maybe a nice Accord or Jeep.
I’m over this dystopian nightmare.
Is it the drive train you have a problem with or the software? Because I think you just dislike new cars, not electric cars. In which case keep an eye out for the Slate EV
Nice, first I’ve heard of Slate. Privacy-focused EV and looks like they offer customizable trucks and SUVs.
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Looking at it further, it appears it’s a pick-up truck with an optional SUV conversion kit. I like the tinkerer aspect of it, but the “SUV” would have 2 doors instead of 4, which is certainly not ideal. It’s already a pain in the ass to strap a child into a car seat with 4 doors. I’d also be curious about the passenger safety of those riding in the back seat with regard to how securely the rear roof and frame are attached. I also wonder how this vehicle will get around the U.S. law coming into effect in 2027 where vehicles must have a kill switch. Overall, it seems like a $20k truck would be compelling, but the SUV concept needs more work.
Meanwhile my kids are at college. I’ll take that two door suv because most of the year it’ll be just me. Actually I’m hoping the seats are easily removable so most of the year i can leave them out and just have a wide open cargo/dog/camping area
Speculation but …… some of the pictures are a bit awkward looking, leading me to speculate there is no real frame on the back, just the structure from the pickup cab. Maybe that “roll bar” is sufficient for back seat passengers too
It’s the waiting 45 minutes to charge that I hate.
There are newer models that can charge to 80% in 15 min. It will probably take a while until fast chargers are widespread, but this is where things are going.
That won’t stop battery degradation.
Yeah, it won’t.
ICE engines also need oil changes, transmission fluid, headgaskets,belts.
I agree that modern “it’ll spy on you” car software sucks ass. The actual battery and charging tech is way way better than 2018 though. No one has to stop for 45 minutes.
Yea and I can do my own maintenance. That’s another factor that sucks about EV. You can’t even do any work yourself.
If you can find a Saab from before GM bought em that’s still in good condition… *chef’s kiss* perfection.
Saab reminds me of an old 80s movie named ‘Moving’ with Richard Pryor.
Is that the one where he goes crazy and like hijacks the moving truck with his stuff in it?
Nah, it’s the one that he moves his family across the country and shenanigans occur.
He has a Saab and hires a stranger to drive it across the country for him.
What do you think of the Slate truck? While I’m not interested in a truck, the simplification and lack of gadgets appeal to me enough that I may consider it anyway
Never heard of it. Up until the Tesla, I have been driving mostly Hondas since the mid 90s. If I could find a nice late 90s Accord, I would be set.
Double the emissions and half of the efficiency. Good choice.
My partner loves their Civic. They will wait all day for me to get back from work so they can take the fake Mustang though. I still can’t convince them to sell the Civic, but we’re putting maybe 1000 miles on it a year now, probably a lot less, versus about 21,000 on the Mach-E
What is your view on hybrids?
Hybrids should be the default for gasoline vehicles. There may be some specialized cases where hybrids don’t make sense, but if you look at vehicles that have hybrid and non-hybrid options the hybrid typically sees a fuel consumption reduction of 20-30%. The cost increase is not so much and quickly pays for itself.
It’s also an easy way to add AWD if you only need a light-duty AWD system.
Not OP, but conventional hybrids are alright. Plug-In hybrids are kind of a waste, and really only see benefits in very niche situations.
Plug-in hybrids fail because of people. They could cover most or all of a typical commute on battery, but there was that recent study saying people don’t use them that way. If you’re going to treat it like an ICE car, it’s just an ICE car with more weight, that costs more.
the problem with PHEVs is the battery is very small, which is a longevity concern. Batteries lose charge capacity based on how many charging cycles they go through. So if you are discharging most of the battery on a daily commute you’re going to kill that battery’s capacity within a few years (like a cell phone).
A great use for the new sodium batteries, assuming they pan out as expected and can scale up quickly. While I still think the PHEV strategy is most appropriate for last decade before batteries were sufficiently developed, a cheaper, longer lasting battery can make them more compelling
I never hear the end of complaints from my mom about how her EV’s range is too short and takes forever to charge.
I get the sentiment, and I’ve said it before but when my current daily goes, an EV of some sort will likely take its place. Even given the poor charging infrastructure where I am, mathematically it is clearly the sensible choice.
But for the things I can’t measure with a calculator, I’ll have at least one ICE vehicle for a long as it’s feasible to do so. There are boxes that EVs - and I’ve spent plenty of time with them - simply don’t tick for me.
You can add another one to the list then. I was forced to switch last year (regulation changes and end of lease on the ICE company car). I went from a BMW 3-series to a Polestar 2, and I was initially a bit reluctant and skeptical but quickly learned to love it.
I went basically like this:
Electric is just a superior drive train concept for daily driving. The instant torque, the smoothness of acceleration and lack of gear changes are so awesome, even passengers comment all the time about how nice it feels. And once you get used to the one-pedal drive, you don’t want anything else. Just lift the gas pedal to stop, and step on it to go… couldn’t be easier.
The only downside is that in terms of vehicle dynamics you do feel the added weight, you can’t really hide 500 kg extra. So when changing direction it doesn’t want to turn in as eagerly, and you feel a bit more roll and suspension travel in everything that it does, but the positives vastly outweigh this one negative.
Can confirm. Bought one, loved it, so bought another. Would never consider going back.
I liked 1 of the electric bikes I tried, and Ill admit its probably objectively better in terms of practicality, but I kinda prefer gas.
The problem is that modern cars are shitty. It doesn’t matter if it’s a petrol, diesel or electric car. If I can’t repair it myself, it’s a poor quality car. The fact that you might need specialized paywalled software to remove error codes after fixing the car is just awful.
Most people I’ve spoken with that claim that they don’t like electric cars eventually agree that they don’t like modern cars. Mainly due to how closed everything is.
Yeah, vendo lock in is what has stopped me from purchasing a BYD seal
Repairing doesn’t even really apply to evs. It’s not like you bust out a wrench to fix your tv.
If a TV cost $60k, I’d bust out a wrench to fix it. It’s usually a blown capacitor that costs pennies to fix.
Make it illegal to include touch screens, tracking, no buttons and no handles. Then I’ll consider getting a loan for one 🤷♂️
The gas powered cars have all that now too though. That’s not just an ev thing
Good thing I’m poor and have never bought a new car
I have no doubts about electric cars being nice or “the future”, but the price of these things is still a problem.
A (reasonably) new one with the range I need (~400km+) costs way more than I care to spend. That is partly because batteries still cost too much, but also very much because they still have a tendancy to gatekeep larger range figures for use in luxury cars.
And getting older second hand is still too much a questionmark in terms of how much of a chance there be you’ll end up having to fork over big for a new battery or motor and/or write it off prematurely.
Another problem is that I also have no way to charge it at home and would be fully at the mercy of public charging infrastructure. And generally speaking as a taller man, I feel some of them can also be quite lacking in terms of interior space.
Why do you need 400km+ range? Is this for a daily/weekly need or a once in a quarter holiday trip style need?
This is the right question - people who have never owned an EV vastly overestimate the range they’ll need, almost always.
Usually 200-300km is good enough range for most ppl on US. For other countries, I’ve found 150km to be more than sufficient.
Overnight charging from a heater outlet is usually sufficient for normal daily use.
Weekends usually add 100-200 km range easily in case the daily usage is slightly higher than daily overnight charge.
Charging at office is also an increasingly possible option.
For me personally is because I don’t have property to charge overnight.
And I’m in a country where China is flooding their EVs in the market.
Edit: to clarify, I am convinced with EV. I’ve been drinking the big oil koolaid for too long and glad I stopped. Better late than never.
Tbf I haven’t really done my research for local charging stations and their prices. Also the fa t that even the market here being flooded with cheap Chinese EVs, it is still more than I can responsibly afford. So for now I keep maintaining my current petrol car.
Overnight charging is really critical to EV success. I can see why not having that would make it painful
What mostly makes this problematic is that there still aren’t enough public charging spots out in the wild to counter this handicap, people occupy those that are available for way too long and they charge quite a bit more for the kwh then you’d have to fork over at home. Especially when you can smart charge with variable rates and/or leverage solar panels.
I live in vertically built op neighbourhood from the 1950’s so charging on my own meter, much like having things like solar panels, won’t ever be a thing.
I do not believe this makes owning electric cars impossible persé, but the the public infrastructure is also lacking, and they won’t expand this without people buying more electric cars. But people aren’t buying electric cars because they can’t charge. Nobody here can charge at home, even if we do have plenty of people that have the income bracket to drive electric, so it has to come from public availablity.
Progress has been extremely slow. Don’t let my origional comment take away from the fact i’m 100 percent pro electric, I think it’s cool as hell, but there’s still plenty of situations where they are more than a little inconvenient. Having long range models here would at least reduce the frequency at which you’d need to charge.
On a side note, take a look at balcony solar. It’s quite popular in a lot of places to offset your electricity usage
Yeah, thanks for the tip. I’m at least in passing aware of these solutions, but my problems aren’t just concentrated around not owning a roof.
I also have detached garden house in my yard that I could technically quite easily have 4 or 6 solar panels on, but the problem I have at yard level is that I only have sun to where that garden house is till maybe 3pm on ideal days before it disappears behind the apartment building I live in. Any balcony attached panels would stop receiving direct sun after 1pm or so.
And even the sun we do have is greatly handicapped by copious amounts of surrounding vegetation. To the point I can’t even really get my lawn to grow properly.
It’s a lovely yard because it’s kind of like having private park in the middle of a big (for my country’s standards) city and because we are surrounded by big buildings it’s basicly also very quiet, but that does ofcourse come with it’s limitations.
That is what i need to do a return trip on the longest distance I do on a fairly regular basis and what the car would be mostly used for. (I have moved away from most of my family.)
I can’t trust public chargers to be available at the destination. People still have a tendency to not move their car after charging and there’s still a general shortage of them.
There’s already so many ev cars in scrap yards due to being mechanically totaled from dead batteries it’s not worth buying one unless you plan to lease or budget for a new battery/motor after the warranty is out. ICE cars at the price of EV cars still last way longer, and can be maintained to continue running without a mandatory motor replacement after a certain number of miles/hours.
Do you have any source for this? EVs have so much fewer parts which need maintenance or could reasonably have to be replaced. Also batteries these days are gonna last for a long time judging from what I’ve seen.
I see some of the pain points from the original commentator, but it’s partially an unequal comparison, because many people compare used ICE cars to new EVs. But your comment is stating it like it’s snake oil.
I own a 12 year old volt. One of the community apps tracks crowd sourced battery degradation. My pack’s still about 75%-80% of it’s new range. I’m in the center of the bell curve, drive mostly on electric, but it can’t quite make it all the way to/from work anymore. :(
Chevy did a decent job at battery cooling. There are plenty of Nissan leafs that didn’t fair as well.
If I did have to replace my pack right now, (and it’s only a 10kWh) it would be around 8k, but they’re generally not available. None of the used packs on ebay have any assurance that they have any significant life left.
Bluebook on the car is maybe 5k but that is a hybrid. 8k would essentially total the car. If i did manage to get a remanufactured pack (assuming it lasted another decade) it’s still going to need wheelbearings, axels, suspension, steering, HVAC.
Just because an EV’s motor can last longer, doesn’t mean it makes a significantly better long term investment.
I have a 12 year old ICE car @ 172,000 miles and it needs none of those wheel bearings, axels, suspension and HVAC fixes. I would not bundle regular car issues with EV issues since it varies from manufacturer to manufacturer (and even model & year).
The high cost of a battery replacement compared to the cost of the car after a few years is a concern which is seems very relevant though.
Talking about battery replacement for EV is like talking about engine replacement for ICE.
“Sure, ICE car are nice but the high cost of engine replacement after a few 100k km is a concern”
Batteries in today’s EV can last way longer than people expect, changing the battery is really not something that will be fine regularly, not more than changing the engine in current ice car.
172k on a car with no suspension issues ever, you’re in the red zone for all those kind of failures, that’s just luck or very very careful driving/maintenance.
I would not bundle regular car issues with EV issues
Except for oil changes and transmission issues EV’s suffer from the same problems. And an HVAC failure can destroy a batterypack
The batteries, there’s just no way around it. Batteries are expensive as hell. You could make the pack standard and small enough to diy replace, but then you lose efficiency, safety, and have higher resistance. I was kind of hoping we could do some kind of flow battery where you’d pull up to a gas station and just swap out your electrolyte, but the power density is just awful.
That’s what I think. EVs aren’t functionally equivalent to ICE cars yet - most of them can’t go as far between fillups, and they take longer to fill up. Those are steadily improving. But the cost benefits are there. Back in 2013 when I bought my Leaf I went from spending $1800/year on gas to $300/year on electricity, and in 12 years my only maintenance costs were windshield wiper blades and a set of tires - which I would have needed with a gas car. But no oil changes, tuneups, no filters, belts or hoses, no spark plugs. No radiator problems, starter problems, pump replacements. I mean it’s almost like not having a car at all, except you have a car.
I think the problems tend to be overplayed. For most people the BEV is as good as the ICE vehicle. They have a range in excess of 300km with most above 400km, further for city driving. Charging is at night so it is only those longer trips where charging is more inconvenient. I’ve modified my hasty lifestyle a bit to actually enjoy a coffee while charging on those few trips to the big smoke.
My only gripe with EVs is repairability, and the inevitable enshittification of their software, and all the issue that spun from it, like ads and what not. Heck we can’t even have a decent “open source” friendly phone, let alone EV. This will become a major issue unless well regulated and I hope the EU steps up. I wish we can have a mechanical, open-source EV.
The difference is (as long as its not self-driving) EVs are stupidly simple devices. They have less technology than smart phones. It would be great to have regulation to force standardization and open-source firmware, but genuinely we already have plenty of software and controllers capable of fully handling any EV, VESC being the most popular example of this.
And yes that controller both handles electric aircraft and RC cars. Because EVs don’t really differ from the model scale to the extremely large scale.
Don’t worry, they enshittify software in cars that have an ICE under the hood too.
Well you can buy an older ICE without that whereas that option doesn’t really exist with EVs.
Odd, I’ve heard a lot of people say they don’t want to get an EV because they don’t have very good resale value. A quick search shows a bunch of used EVs for sale in my area, similarly priced to used ICE vehicles. Which given new EVs go for a lot more than new ICE cars, there seems to be some truth to that. But that’s to your advantage if you want to buy a used EV.
I meant you can’t buy EVs old enough to not have all the shit that spies on you in them.
I had my 2013 Leaf for 12 years and nothing got enshittified, if that’s any comfort.
That sounds like a success story. Wait til you hear about your battery died one week after the warranty expired … Fun times
Is your usual source for things pulling them out of your arse?
He saved more money than the battery replacement will cost.
By the time a battery pack will die (outside of warranty), you will have paid for on an ICE car (according to manufacturer recommendations and warranty):
35 oil changes
At least 2x drive belt
At least 2x transmission fluid replacement
At least 2x full vehicle brakepad/rotor sets
At least 7 fuel filters
At least 1 fuel pump
At least 1 alternator
At least 2x timing belt
At least 2x water pumps
Assuming you have the capability to do all that yourself, and the tools, that’s still more than the difference in cost for purchase price of the ev vs ice vehicle.
Add in the fact electricity will always be cheaper than the same amount of fuel, and you easily save more than enough for the next battery pack that’ll last another 8 years or 175k miles.
I’ll say $2700 on the oil changes. Two accessory drive belts are like $30. $160 for a couple drain and fills, with pan gasket and filter, for my transmission. $240 for front pads and rotors, twice. For posterity I’ll add $300 for complete rebuild of the rear brakes (drums, shoes, springs, tensioners, cable, bell cranks, cylinders). I’m at almost 190k miles with no fuel issues so I question that fuel filter figure, but $105 for 7 filters. $110 for the pump I’ve yet to need. Could be cheaper but I go with Denso since they make most of the OE stuff. $125 for the alternator (also yet to need). $400 for two AISIN timing belt/water pump kits, because they should be done at the same interval. Napkin math, erring toward our current gas prices rather than the cheaper past, $33,250 on that 190k miles. I bought used for $10,000, so I’m not even on the hook for all 190k, but we’ll say I’m all in for $47,420, still running strong and owner serviceable. All maintenance being done myself. Substantially increase the figure if you’re paying a shop.
A used 2022 Leaf with 17k is gonna run me $15,000 (just lazily searching for “inexpensive reliable EVs” and seeing what pops up in my area). I’ll have four years or 83k of warranty left on the battery. Middle of the road - $1,500 to have a charger installed at home. I’m estimating $7,000 in electricity based on driving habits and local rates (and assuming those rates won’t increase). Add the low-ball figure of $7,500 for an out of warranty battery replacement, which I’m seeing will probably be needed (or at least wanted, due to degradation) by around 150k. $31,000 “all in.”
$47,420 vs $31,000 for the same 190k miles.
The Leaf will also need pads/rotors and it has some of its own fluids that require changing. Mine needs plugs and coils, the occasional sensor, etc. Both need brake fluid flushes but no sense factoring that in for one and not the other. The difference isn’t small, $16.4k is nothing to scoff at, but I’m also comparing operating and servicing my 22 year old Tundra against a 4 year old electric car. I bet the gap closes even more if I had something like an old Corolla with better mpg going toe to toe. Hell, that’d probably cut my gas expenditure nearly in half, nevermind potentially cheaper parts for a car vs a truck.
Not sure what my point is but that list compelled me to actually math it out. I’m keen for corrections or other insights. Maybe a Leaf was a poor choice, but I’m poor too and not buying new so I glanced at “affordable” used listings nearby and it’s what I found. Even if I could buy new, given current offerings I can’t say I’d want to, neither EV nor ICE. Micro transactions, rolling data mines, the erosion of ownership… Until things get better (wishful thinking), fuck the whole lot. I’m mid life and inching towards my cranky old man arc; the next generation can own nothing and be happy if they don’t start resisting it.
Not sure I follow your intent of the post. Please allow Me to give some background. The battery has a good chance of dying early, even after the warranty period. Which makes the average cost of the car very expensive
Nah,
You’re making shit up
Again
Only inbreds hate EVs.
Normal people simply hate tesla.
FACT CHECK: TRUE ✅
People aren’t going to realize EV’s are better until the can actually afford one.
Also, maybe one day America will get their heads out of their ass and realize that public transportation is better EV’s.
its the greedy domestic overpriced ev companies that are lobbying to block foreign ev competition.
All noise aside, now appears to be a great time to pickup 24 model year EVs coming off dealer leases being sold Certified Pre-Owned with factory warranties (10 yr battery) in check. The depreciation is absurd and with the Federal rebate incentive gone the depreciation table will begin normalizing moving forward. Seeing people pickup 24 Lyriqs and Blazers with 19.2 KW/H port upgrades with 15-20k miles for 55-60% under 2024 MSRP/sticker. No brainer imho
They say this whilst trying their best to make EVs the printers of the car industry. Update? The car stops and bricks itself for the duration of it. Want basic features? You have to pay a monthly subscription for the car you already payed for. Need it repaired? Have to bring it to a dealership with criminal prices because every part is serialized and they have you by the balls. Need a new battery after it kicks the bucket in 4-5 years? Expect to pay $10-20k for a new one. Oh and of course the center terminal/tablet is now crucial for the cars function, so anytime that malfunction it bricks itself again. Oh and it will always track and spy on you with GPS and onboard cameras and microphones.
Sorry, but what about that is specific to EVs? Nothing you mention is specific to EVs, but applies to all new cars. Except for your unwarranted fearmongering about the battery. Basically every car manufacturer offers a 8 year warranty on the battery, so you can assume that they last longer than that.
I don’t have any of that with my EV, certainly no subscription stuff, nor overcharging for service, because a service is significantly easier
Not to any degree different from in ICE vehicle
You’re just spouting shit
The only problem I’ve had with the EVs we’ve been leasing for 5 years now, is unsolicited criticism from EV haters. They seem to ignore the fact that I’ve been driving various diesel and petrol vehicles for decades. If my own lived experience of EVs was less rewarding than my previous ICE ownership I’d switch back. It’s not like a football team that I’m wedded to. They’re just generally better cars in terms of driving, torque, maintenance, cost to run and basically every metric that matters to me as a driver. Quite why that annoys people who in many cases have never even been behind the wheel of one is beyond me.
50% of the Internet is paid trolls, it’s not ignorance.
It also has the added benefit of watching you all the time!
Other than that EVs are pretty dope.
Not exclusive to EVs though
You can barely get an EV old enough not to do it, if at all. You can easily get an ICE old though though
But yes, it’s all new cars.
Sure, but that’s still a stupid complaint though. No vehicle has to spy on you, people only allow cars to spy on them. The thing is, you’re an adult, you know how duct tape and screwdrivers work. If there’s some offending camera, just pull it out or cover it up. If you’re worried about it phoning home over a wireless connection, remove the wireless antenna. No car will prevent you from driving because an internal camera was disabled.
The electric motor is watching you?
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And they won’t need to cheat their emissions tests with evs
Also article quotes an executive but no labor leaders
Hey did you hear that 90 years ago they made things for the nazis wtf
If I could trade my current car for a feature similar EV for no more than a coupld of grand out of pocket, I would.
Ehh, I feel like a lot of people in here are arguing just for the sake of it, and because the guy who said this is from a car company.
Yes, of course electric cars are better than cars burning fossil fuels. EVs being too expensive, too few buttons and too many touch screens has nothing to do with that. The same goes for the also obvious fact, that we should focus more on public transport because it is much more efficient in moving people around than cars.
Unless the (public) charging infrastructure gets expanded massively, EVs won’t become a valid alternative to most people. Not everyone owns a house where you can just slap your own wallbox onto it.
Europe is covered. I’ve done the whole continent with zero planning, just ABRP (A Better Route Planer).
Is coverage where you are that bad?
It’s a different scenario altogether if you are travelling. What I mean, is for every-day things, like commuting to work. In my locality, there are no public chargers available. And I can’t charge at work, either. There are two charging stations available at my supermarket, but those two are definitely not enough and you can’t roll the dice everytime you go to the supermarket hoping thay one spot is available. And that’s not just where I live. There are still a lot of places in germany which face the same issues. Sure, it’s getting better generally speaking every year, but right now an EV is not a viable alternative to an ICE car for everyone.
Varies a lot by area. For example the city of Portland has about 55% of residents in single detached houses (not apartments).
This is more of a USA problem with their 120VAC grid.
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What I’d like is a EV that has no additional shite attached other than what I want.
Just give me a chassis with a standardised battery pack, that has AC. Then let ME choose what after-market 3rd party options to put in such as:
Heated seats, Radio/CD/BT/carplay or android auto using standard car DIN box sizes, reversing sensors, cruise control, cab lighting, etc.
I think Slate Auto is what you’re looking for, but it’s just concepts at the moment. No idea if they’ll actually deliver.
Slate Auto is a good start, what I’d want is something that’s beyond what they’re offering at the moment.
Wishing them best of luck, despite Jeff Bezos, the Amazon cunt, backing them.
So basically you want a retro electric car
Sort-of. What I’m imagining is a small selection of vehicle sizes from small hatchback to estate/people carrier to van/kei-sized pickup that have a common battery pack size, motor, and inverter.
You’d choose the type of vehicle that has just the basics built-in like safety and AC.
The rest is customisable and allows for 3rd party manufacturers to make ancillary products for it. Do this by using existing standards for 3rd party automotive parts and then create new standards with open sourced designs for things that aren’t: i.e. the battery pack size and interface, and inverter size and interface.
Eventually what I’d like to see is a market where people can keep these vehicles running by upgrading, repairing, recycling.
If I had a billion dollars laying around I’d sink it into trying to create an automotive co-operative to get at least 3 different sized vehicles with a common battery, motor, and inverter made, through certification, and then released. Then let the market do it’s thing when presented with a new opportunity: adopt and grow.
And I know that I’m certainly missing a lot of issues with this idea but that’s just what it is, an idea and it’ll probably stay that way unless someone else has the resources to make it.
Yeah, that would be nice. God I wish
Every 1st party option makes a new SKU, and they grow factorially. This causes lots of complications for production that make it incredibly expensive. Which is why you only see order selection like this on supercars. Low production count super expensive.
The key is that cars today are so complicated and expensive to produce. The laws force manufacturers to have all the modern saftey systems and pollution controls. The options are the only place the manufacturers make real money.
