Before installing Linux, I had originally planned to dual-boot on my main PC, but somehow a gaming rig from 5 years ago isn’t good enough to run windows 11, which is ridiculous.
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Now genuinely curious, as an ex-Windows-refugee, how did the non-Windows-refugees, the “native” GNU/Linux users, find out about it?
Edit: BTW, started a journey with a laptop in a place with no internet. Luckily I had the foresight to install GNU/Linux on it before I started my journey. I was constantly reminded that I were in the same situation with Windows, the computer would stop working because it had no internet. You need internet for Microshit office, Adobe software, etc. That was the time I said: there has to be a better way. That’s when I started using free software. I’ll take the occasional, inadvertent usability annoyance with free software over the megacorporations trying to constantly gang rape me into submission any day.
A Celeron n4000 with only two cores, 4gb of DDR 3 RAM and 80gb sata I 5400rpm drive, that takes 25 minutes to boot: ✅ supported by Windows 11 because introduced on the market after 2018
A Xeon E7-8894 v4 with 24 cores, 3tb of ECC RAM and petabytes of nvme storage, paid $130k: ❌ unsupported by Windows 11 because introduced on the market before 2018
A totally valid way to define minimum requirements…
It’ll run the Windows 11 IoT edition and it’ll run it well.
(though it’d run Linux better :) )
If they stopped showing so many ads, maybe they’d leave enough memory to run an operating system.
That’d be like asking a a kid to stop selling lemonade so he can focus on making a sign out of something other than cardboard
Nah man, Microsoft doesn’t give their OS away for free. The ads are just greed on top of an already expensive product.
God, I love Linux nerds.
That is a glorious pizza box computer.
:) I have an old 2010 network drive, running Debian and OpenMediaVault for music and video shares. It has 256MB of memory and doesn’t need it all to act as a folder share and streaming box. Windows 11 needing such a high end chip to run is just really poor optimization
The thing with Windows 11 Hardware requirements isnt that its poorly optimised (tbf, it is poorly optimised, but computers that have the power to run it can’t) but because windows 11 requires your CPU to have TPM(? Im Not sure), which only newer CPUs have. So even if your PC could run it, it can’t due to the TPM Requirement.
The TPM chip is separate on my motherboard, it dosnt have to be TPM in the chip for the requirement. Also, after months of W11 not getting adopted like they thought, they rolled back the specs on chips to include ones they denied the first time.
Typically, although not always, TPMs are part of the motherboard. The CPU requirement is a separate requirement. Both have caused users issues upgrading to Win11
Ah, than I got some stuff mixed.
Extra fun: My current gaming laptop has a TPM, but it’s so new that Windows 10 doesn’t recognize it. So when I try to upgrade it says ‘lol nope’.
The TPM requirement is artificial and can be bypassed in the installer.
Tell me more, I thought TPM was hardware checked?
No critical part of Windows actually requires the TPM. The limitation is 99% artificial. Which is why people keep finding workarounds.
Windows security is built upon the a chain of trust from boot. If you do not have a chip then that is not there which I’d say is a critical part of Windows missing. You can argue its not required but its part of what windows wants to ship so id say it is.
Even if it were true. Windows security is probably the worst part about windows, and that’s saying alot. If you can manage to somehow disable it you will probably improve your frame rates 15%, your battery life by 30%, double your hard drives life, and increase the actual security of your system significantly, since most of the malware will just crash as it doesn’t know how to deal with not having Windows security installed, breaking it’s install process. You will also greatly increase your privacy, and extend the life of good software, because without the spyware, Microsoft has a harder time figuring out which software people install that they want to break in a future update to benefit their corporate partners in crime. You will also greatly improve the responsiveness of the system anytime there is disk IO. There is literally not a single reason to use windows security. The only time it will benefit you is if your cat is walking on your keyboard at night and installing random software or something because you don’t have a lock screen. You will also somehow get laid more because you don’t look like a boomer.
If it were that important to Microsoft then they should just refuse to boot without the chain of trust. I’m guessing they can’t because of backwards compatibility reasons. Maybe they will with Windows 12.
I think Microsoft puts the minimum possible effort into windows. It’s a very small piece of their cloud, investing, data selling, propaganda, and AI company. They just make so much money off of speculation nowadays. Inflation is really high so the stock market grows really fast even if the economy is shrinking. A company like Microsoft is positioned to make so much money just in growth because they hold billions of dollars in the stock market.
They absolutely will ruin windows in every possible way, until people jump ship and start using other operating systems, at which point they will just kill the brand or sell it, and focus on their other sectors that make profits. They like many people know this is the right option. Keeping an operating system going is extremely complex these days and even with all the money in the world, microsoft could never find enough talent to actually pull it off. When you get to that level, most programmers aren’t motivated by money so much as working on projects they like. Most actually intelligent people also would refuse to work for a company that spies on its citizens and sells them out to the worst people on earth, which are politicians. At this point Microsoft probably makes way more money selling servers to the IDF to capture all phones calls from people in Gaza then they make off windows in 10 years.
The amount of misinformation here made me think I’m on the Technology community.
TPM 2.0 is only one of the MANY security features that are now hard-required. Among them is DCH driver support, MBEC support, or HVCI.
I recently picked up a couple of e-waste laptops, Thinkpad x130e’s with an AMD E-300, 4GB RAM and a 320GB spinner. For the pair I paid $60 shipped. These were low-end semi-ruggedized laptops meant for students released around the time that HBO started showing Game of Thrones.
I’ve put Debian on one and it runs great. All the hardware just works, everything is pretty quick after boot, and I love how rugged and portable it is. Email, writing, basic productivity, hobby development and 2D gaming all work great. Web browsing takes a hit if I open too many tabs, the video card is too underpowered for most 3D games that came out after 2010, and large compiles are slow. I’m a bit worried about the aging HDD so I’m going to replace it with a cheap SSD which should help with boot and compile times.
The other one I’m not sure about. I’ve tried HaikuOS and the video and wifi work well and the whole system feels very snappy, but there’s no audio or webcam support. Redox seems interesting but needs a whole lot more hardware support. I’ll probably just end up cloning the first one unless I can get a better suggestion.
All that is to say, Linux is great on old cheap hardware.
My laptop is also an old e-waste Thinkpad. I run Xubuntu on it and it flies.
E-waste Thinkpads are quickly becoming my favorite laptops.
i use some of those low power soc laptops, running with lid closed (heat is basically a non-issue), for pihole, white noise, and a few other ‘little’ things. one of 'em is even running stuff in VMs (the rest are debian-based dietpi).
Win11 is 4,5 years old and still feels like 10 builds away from going gold. It feels thrown together.
that a ryzen 2200g with 16gb ram, nvme, and usb-c is ‘unsupported’ is total bullshit. i just pulled one from service. meanwhile, i just ‘upgraded’ a 10th gen celeron desktop, and some even-worse gemini lake laptops, all with hdd (except one with a massive 64gb emmc chip) to 11.
(that ryzen is now rocking silverblue and looking for a new forever home)
Little PCeaser’s.
Hey, that looks like the same PC I recently got … I immediately installed Linux on it, though.
You might want to invest in some spacers to prevent your monitor from breaking when you close the box.
Heh. I actually meant the colorful one.
That fan in there is probably bloat.
I recently built a PC and installed Windows 10 on it because I primarily built it to play League of Legends (don’t judge me). Aside from that, I’ve also found a couple ways to get my hands on other games as well. My other daily driver already Kubuntu installed onto it and I’d really like to use some distro on this desktop PC, but it’s just not really practicable since all the games would be running from exe files or have anti-cheat (screw you League). I don’t really see a way around this apart from using virtual Windows for the games within Linux, right?
Reminds me of the Novena.
Installed Fedora on my newish dell with intel integrated graphics. Watching videos in Firefox was nothing but lag, even in 720P.
And also when the lid is closed, it doesn’t go to sleep.
Linux is only good if you have some kind of driver support.
