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BREAKING: Man decides to install Linux.
More details to come.
“I deleted the recycling bin folder named /bin/ and it just froze what do I do?”
Freeze? Nah, it’ll keep chugging along 'til you reboot (or otherwise try to run a new program), and then won’t be able to start.
You need to remark your files !! Just runsudo rm -Rf /FYI to new users… Do not run any command without knowing what it does. Especially that one. Not even if they say “don’t worry, rm prevents you from deleting your hard drive’s contents now”, … like I fell for, 21 years ago. Doh!
FYI to old users… Stop telling people to do that. It’s not funny. Getting new users to delete their root directory… not cool.
you’re not wrong …
I am glad to see articles like this. For too long I have seen articles saying “sick of this windows bullshit??” Only to find advice on workarounds in windows, or suggestions to use a console, or a fucking phone app. For too long Linux has been treated like the evil twin locked in the attic, never to be spoken of or acknowledged.
IT IS TIME! TIME TO ANNOUNCE WE HAVE RELEASED THE LINUX AND IT WAS THE GOOD CHILD ALL ALONG! BART WAS THE EVIL ONE AFTER ALL! LET IT BE KNOWN!
BREAKING: Man breaks Linux, installs another distro, and lives happily ever after.
BREAKING: Man announces he runs Arch, btw
Am I the only one annoyed the article is an article about a future article? Like I didn’t get anything out of their experience into linux because it’s just a pre-article and the user transition experience is what we’re interested in.
I got annoyed and stopped reading before that became apparent.
Content churn. Pussy-footing. Just get on with it! Heh.
Still, it’s good to see more are jumping ship (to freedom), with how much M$ keeps making it worse (abusiveness).
Oh man, don’t read the comments, sad to see the smartasses saying “report back when you install windows again in two months” while getting utterly fucked by Windows.
I mean, I understand being resistant to change but being a fanatic of Windows or anything for that matter just because that’s all you know is really ignorant, it’s not a sports team for fucks sake, of course it’s not easy switching and you will have problems just dont be afraid to ask and read the error warning.
Rant over
I use Windows for work and I miss Win10, I don’t like it but I’m aware that’s currently the target of most Consumer SW for good reason but that reason is starting to break (say it with me! BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS!!!).
Happy to see Linux getting mainstream, not all comments are bad but I the trolls got me.
It’s like do-gooder derogation. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-gooder_derogation )
Someone doing something good? Fuck them. They think they’re better than us?? Where do they get off??!?
A lot of people are trash and are emotionally invested in both the way things currently are, and that they are a very good person
TIL there’s a name for this
There’s a name for everything. There’s probably a name for there being a name for everything.
It’s regedit!
It’s regedit!
I’ve been using Linux as my daily driver for over a month. The only thing I miss are some old windows apps that I’m too lazy to troubleshoot in Wine.
The top comments don’t look too bad now… Maybe they’re ranked differently or something
they removed the comment section now 😅
Who knows, maybe Autodesk will finally start thinking about Linux.
They already use Qt anyway, so the .NET part is all they’d need to fix.There’s Mono. I don’t know what portion of .NET compatibility issues that addresses in 2025.
Well of course, there’s probably other Windows stuff they are also using, considering how much they aren’t even trying to ship for something like Ubuntu, which would be super easy otherwise.
I can only imagine how big of a push Autodesk can easily put towards Linux. That would easily make the current rise to 5% be nothing in comparison. Maybe MS is paying them too, to keep them together.
Of course it might also just be that MS makes it easier for them to setup a DRM (Digital Rights Management) as compared to Linux, not that it matters considering how much they have been pirated.
Then there was this person who was not using Linux because of the CAD software he wanted to use and when I asked what exactly it was, he said, “KiCad”[1].
it’s available in Arch and Debian official repositories ↩︎
KiCAD is available for most distros. You can even get it via flatpak
Yeah, so you see, they just don’t know that the stuff is available.
They are also the types to download from stuff like Softonic/MegaUpload etc. when the official website has downloads available, so even if the website were to advertise Linux availability, they would never end up seeing it.
I mean, I understand being resistant to change but being a fanatic of Windows or anything for that matter just because that’s all you know is really ignorant
I’m suspecting around 80% of the people who switched to Linux after Win11/AI stuff, will switch back within 6 months.
I’m saying this as a Linux user.
I’m still going strong two years later! :D
Yes and that’s ok, but the comment you tagged is about the people just shitting on linux without even trying it, they are kind of Windows hooligans.
I don’t see them as trolls. I’ve been on ZorinOS for about a year now. I hate it because I don’t know how to do anything, but I’m not smart enough to learn terminal.
Flatpaks are the answer to installation. But any problem I have, I google, and every result starts the same way.
"Ok, Step 1, open terminal
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I have a 100% rate of those solutions not working for me. And the reason is simple. Those solutions assume you know how to use linux. So when you copy and paste their terminal commands, and your terminal responds with error: dependancies not found, YOU know how to fix that error and it works for you. But for most regular people, thats the end of that. Problem not solved. Problem remains a problem FOREVER.
No, seriously. I have a usb recovery stick that allows me to backup/restore my hard drive exactly how it is. Anytime I have to use terminal I ALWAYS make a backup of my hard drive first. Which takes 4 hours. And the reason for that is, when I inevitably fuck something up in terminal, and the whole OS crashes, and refuses to boot, I have a backup. It takes nearly 20 hours to restore the image, but it works. But whatever problem I was trying to solve remains.
Imagine if that were your linux experience. Windows spies on you. They have enshitification out the ass. But it works for the masses without technical knowledge.
The other issue is that businesses use windows. So most people are firmiliar with windows. So all the popular programs are on windows. Linux has a way to emulate windows programs, but its hard to get working, and sometimes just DOESN’T work.
If linux had every single program windows has, 100% as a flatpak, it would do wonders for install rate…for about a year.
Once people install the programs, they’ll at some point run into an issue. On windows you solve the problem 99% of the time by restarting. On linux, that hasn’t fixed any of my problems once.
These people aren’t trolls. They just have a different opinion than you from a different perspective.
Next time you have an issue in linux, any issue, regardless of how small, I want you to turn off your computer for 4 hours. Then turn it back on for 5 minutes. Then off again for 20 hours. Don’t solve the issue. I know YOU can solve the issue in 30 seconds, but don’t. After the 24 hours no computer use, just live with the problem for the rest of your life.
Yeah, that doesn’t sound fun, does it? Sounds like a reason to have a sour experience. Suddenly they don’t seem like trolls.
I hate it because I don’t know how to do anything
Some examples of what you’ve been unable to accomplish might add clarity.
but I’m not smart enough to learn terminal
Bull. Shit. You’re just not used to it and, even without picking up any knowledge of shell scripting, you’re only a
man somecommandaway from understanding what specific command line programs do.somecommand --flag --another-flag /home/me/thingtypically isn’t much different from opening some GUI app on Windows, ticking two boxes, opening the file picker and selectingC:\users\me\thingthen clicking a button.All that said, now we really need examples because there’s probably no need for you to be messing with the terminal to begin with. At least not if you aren’t doing anything outside basic computing like web browsing, chat, productivity tasks and such. So what are you trying to do in the terminal that the OS failed to provide a GUI for?
Flatpaks… NOOOOO…
I haven’t used Zorin but flatpaks are enabled by default if I understand. Yes, you can install them via the command line but it looks like you could just open the built in software center and search for whatever it is you want. The only exception I can imagine is if you’re trying to install from a source other than whatever Zorin uses by default (Flathub, I would guess).
dependencies not found
With Flatpaks? Wat? With some other command? Context, please.
Anytime I have to use terminal I ALWAYS make a backup
You’re competent enough to image and restore your drive but not stay out of trouble in your OS? You presumably had to learn whatever software, and the underlying concepts, you’re using for that. Clonezilla, Rescuezilla, Macrium Reflect, etc all exist to make it easier but you’ve gotta know what an “image” is, what it means create it and subsequently write it onto a drive. How to identify the correct drive so you’re not wiping out something unintentionally.
So, are you not spending even a few minutes to check if the code snippets you’re pasting are applicable to your specific distribution? At least skimming the
manpage for the commands you try to run? Are you assuming “it’s all just Linux, right?” and that there isn’t nuance between distributions? Running shell commands you don’t understand is like running whatever backup solution you’re using without understanding it - just blindly clicking buttons and maybe you get a backup or maybe you format a drive and lose decades of family photos, your research paper draft, and whatever else. And if a fuckup costs me a literal day of my life in restoration time, I’m making it a point to use that time to figure out why so I hopefully don’t repeat the process in the future.There’s little substance in your complaints and I’m left just so genuinely confused. In my head I’m imagining a walking talking XY Problem. Some specific examples of what you were trying to achieve or the snippets you were blindly pasting might shed some light but, left to guess, your actions sound akin to gamer kids running random batch scripts claiming to tweak power settings or whatever else in order to eke out a few extra FPS. Windows isn’t going to protect anyone who treats it the same way you have seemingly treated Linux.
By the way you write I now you are smart enough to learn the terminal and you should not fear it, since you are starting with linux it is expected that you will make errors and that is ok. Linux is yours to do and undo.
One of the reasons why Mac was able to take some market share from Windows is that all their computers are the same regardless of the needs of the user, so trouble shooting is easy as all are the same.
Your full backup strategy is kinda overkill, also tells me your are more than capable of learning the terminal btw, you should just back up the critical data then reinstalling/fixing your installation will take the same amount of time for backing your full drive. There are forums to ask for help in linux and there are a lot of us that try to help brother/sister in need. Also timeshift might be easier faster than the usb thing.
I do not know Zorin OS but there are other flavors of Linux that might be better for you, maybe something atomic like Bazzite which is immutable so you can’t fuck it up. One distro does not represent all.
About your Windows for the masses comment, every one of us linux users started with Windows because that’s what the computers came with, Microsoft paid a lot for that to happen, and the users got used to Windows and got used to its quirks. That is in itself technical knowledge, so there are no computer users “without technical knowledge”
About the restarting the computer to solve issues comment. That’s just not true, my work Windows computer started blue screening with no reason, no amount of restarting fixed that.
Now to the trolls, they are trolls, your are giving a proper argument for your use case and I respect you for that because you are giving linux a try. The trolls im referring to are the ones shitting on linux without even trying it or just calling people names because they dare to try something different.
About your comment for living with issues with my setup forever as a non-techy user reminded me of the 10s of toolbars my aunt had in her computer and complained when I removed them because she had gotten so used to them.
Do not fear the terminal even Windows was once DOS, install and try all the distros you can they are FREE, there are a lot of flavors for different needs.
It kind of reminds me of the whole Rust situation in a way. The evangelists were so heavy-handed that an active counter-movement developed, and with the adoption being wider the fanatics are heard less and what remains is their counterpart. We certainly aren’t quite there yet with the Linux discussion, but it seems to be what we’re heading towards.
I will say, I have very low hopes for this person sticking with Linux because they made a big deal about switching to it.
They’re going to feel like they need to continuously justify their decision as they’re learning, which will magnify the demoralization of every problem he encounters.
And he will encounter problems.
The existence of PC Master Race tells me everything I need to know about gamers who cling to windows. Edit: And post comments like the “report back” one you cited.
🤞pleasejustpickbazzite pleasejustpickbazzite pleasejustpickbazzite🤞
I’m going to install CachyOS, an Arch-based distro
oh god dammit
I’M FED UP, GOING TO INSTALL LINUX!
- picks a complicated distro where you really need to read the manual or do some heavy google searches to do gaming *
I’M FED UP, THIS IS TOO HARD, I’M GOING BACK TO WINDOWS!
Every. Single. Time.
Not really…
Are you saying seasoned windows users can’t cope with LFS (linux from scratch) first time around? /s
I see your /s but we all watched Linux Sebastian burn an easy distro to the ground with ample warnings while refusing to read any information about the distro. And he’s on the long side of the Dunning-Kruger curve for windows.
I think we need everything to work out of the box on all major hardware, no terminal commands, video accelerators working by default and steam to be a one-click install.
I see your point but there are to many options and preferences. For one, the borders to what is “Major hardware” are very subjective. So are people’s need. (I’m your opposite: I must have a terminal, I don’t care one bit about video acceleration and and my interest steam is an absolute zero)
So do that and you might end up with a windows-alike crappy platform. My expectations (and/or) hopes are that different distro’s will keep focusing on different users groups. Some perfect for gaming, another for developers, a few for daily usage of email & browsing and so on
there are to many options and preferences
What you need isn’t what everyone needs. I suspect you’ll have a very hard time finding massive numbers of windows users who only need a terminal.
I sincerely hope that you don’t need one distribution for games and another for developers, Having to reboot to play games is why we’ve had such bad penetration for years.
Every distro needs to be able to handle all the video cards from the last decade. Lutris and Steam need to run really well everywhere or we’ll take forever to get proper market penetration.
If you want to use arch for the first time use an already setup distro like Manjaro.
Honestly, Day 1’ers, I’d rather they run Debian, Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora. There are strong communities that are noob friendly. Go ahead and install Steam, get some games working, get their feet wet. 99% of the time, they don’t need more than basic stuff. Once they’re over being afraid of not being in windows, then start distro hopping to whatever they want.
This is exactly right. It’s a journey, not a race.
KDE Neon ftw
I disagree. If you want to use Arch for the first time, install it the Arch way. It’s going to be hard, and that’s the point. Arch will need manual intervention at some point, and you’ll be expected to fix it.
If you use something like Manjaro or CachyOS, you’ll look up commands online and maybe it’ll work, but it might not. There’s a decent chance you’ll break something, and you’ll get mad.
Arch expects you to take responsibility for your system, and going through the official install process shows you can do that. Once you get through that once, go ahead and use an installer or fork. You know where to find documentation when something inevitably breaks, so you’re good to go.
If you’re unwilling to do the Arch install process but still want a rolling release, consider OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s the trunk for several projects, some of them commercial, so you’re getting a lot of professional eyeballs on it. There’s a test suite any change needs to pass, and I’ve seen plenty of cases where they hold off on a change because a test fails. And when it does fail (and it probably will), you just
snapper rollbackand wait a few days. The community isn’t as big as other distros, so I don’t recommend it for a first distro, but they’re also not nearly as impatient as Arch forums.Arch is a great distro, I used it for a few years without any major issues, but I did need to intervene several times. I’ve been on Tumbleweed about as long and I’ve only had to
snapper rollbacka few times, and that was the extent of the intervention.I agree… I went with arch because I like rolling release but wanted to force myself to learn how things work. Anymore, arch has just as much chance of breaking as any other distro, fairly low honestly. It does however have the most detailed documentation and resources available.
Now on CachyOs cause it’s quicker to setup and the team behind it is so damn on top of getting issues fixed asap.
Yes, Arch is really stable and has been for about 10 years. In fact, I started using Arch just before they became really stable (the /usr merge), and stuck with it for a few years after. It’s a fantastic distro! If openSUSE Tumbleweed stopped working for me, I’d probably go back to Arch. I ran it on multiple systems, and my main reason for switching is I wanted something with a stable release cycle for servers and rolling on desktop so I can use the same tools on both.
It has fantastic documentation, true, but most likely a new user isn’t going to go there, they’ll go to a forum post from a year ago and change something important. The whole point of going through the Arch install process is to force you to get familiar with the documentation. It’s really not that hard, and after the first install (which took a couple hours), the second took like 20 min. I learned far more in that initial install than I did in the 3-ish years I’d used other distros before trying Arch.
CachyOS being easy to setup defeats the whole purpose since users won’t get familiar with the wiki. By all means, go install CachyOS immediately after the Arch install, buy so yourself a favor and go through it. You’ll understand everything from the boot process to managing system services so much better.
Learning is good.
I know someone who after years of being told about gentoo, still refused to use the handbook to install it, had someone else install it for them, and gave up after a few months… recently revealed he thought it was a text only operating system. XD
Learning is good.
RTFM! :)
Exactly.
There’s a difference between gatekeeping and being transparent about what’s expected. I’m not suggesting people do it the hard way as some kind of hazing ritual, but because there’s a lot of practical value to maintaining your system there. Arch is simple, and their definition of simple means the devs aren’t going to do a ton for you outside of providing good documentation. If your system breaks, that’s on you, and it’s on you to fix it.
If reading through the docs isn’t your first instinct when something goes wrong, you’ll probably have a better experience with something else. There are plenty of other distros that will let you offload a large amount of that responsibility, and that’s the right choice for most people because most people don’t want to mess with their system, they want to use it.
Again, it’s not gatekeeping. I’m happy to help anyone work through the install process. I won’t do it for you, but I’ll answer any questions you might have by showing you where in the docs it is.
Yeah, there are many people that just want the system to work and not have to become full time geeks like some of us are. There are also plenty of distros, atomic or not, that provide that experience. Perfect match. There’s a distro for everyone, from anti-tech people to full blown rocket scientists.
I 100% agree. If you want the Arch experience, you should have the full Arch experience IMO, and that includes the installation process. I don’t mean this in a gatekeepy way, I just mean that’s the target audience and that’s what the distro is expecting.
For a new user, I just cannot recommend Arch because, chances are, that’s not what they actually want. Most new users want to customize stuff, and you can do that with pretty much every distro.
For new users, I recommend Debian, Mint, or Fedora. They’re release based, which is what you want when starting out so stuff doesn’t change on you, and they have vibrant communities. After using it for a year or two, you’ll figure out what you don’t like about the distro and can pick something else.
I’m voting for manjaro here too, it’s been working great for me for years. But noobs should 100% go for mint
CachyOS has been flawless on my S/O’s desktop. From an easy install to plenty of documentation available, I couldn’t have asked for much more. During install, there’s an entire step dedicated to checking a box if you want to play games. (To enable non-free drivers).
I don’t think it was a poor choice.
Flawless wouldn’t require any documentation.
There are instructions on your McDonalds coffee that say, “This coffee is hot.”
You might feel as though no documentation is necessary here, but clearly it was a critical miss for someone.
Are you saying McDonalds Coffee is flawless?
Everything requires some documentation.
I distro hop regularly, still have to see that one ‘flawless’ distro, or system for that matter.
Agree.
Pfft Ubuntu has existed for years.
It’ll be nice when we learn to downvote distro shills into oblivion.
Just went from Bazzite to Steam OS on my TV PC. It’s a little less flexible but I don’t use desktop mode for much on the TV or want to install anything outside a few emulators and external game launchers. I’ve had too many updating issues with Bazzite over the years. The recent deal breaker was sunshine broke preventing it from updating.
Everyone uses their computer differently and you’re binded by the distro that provides.
“Tech journalists” installing linux in 2025 like it’s this hot new tech is not exactly the early adoptership I’d expect from them :)
Every time anyone rejects Microsoft’s shitty bloatware/spyware it’s a win. I just converted a few months ago. Win11 is going to push more and more people away.
Me after using the KDE: how the fuck Linux is better Windows than Windows?
They were supposed to focus on window managing, ITS IN THEIR FUCKING NAME. Instead you need extra things like Powertoys for basic functions that KDE has integrated.
And then power toys shortcuts conflict with the standard shortcuts and requires a ton of fiddling and customizing configs. You know, the thing windows users always say is a reason they don’t want to use linux.
Yus!
That was so my take too, in 2003.
I switched because of WinXP, that insane bloater chewing up resources I could have been using for my art tools if not for their squander on pointless shiny.
So then, in SuSe, with KDE, it had even better shiny, useful shiny, not pointless, and it didnt run 10x slower than 95/98/NT/2000, like XP did, but instead ran 10x faster!
There was no going back to being abused by M$ after seeing that.
If we had fast windowing systems back then, why is modern KDE slower than XP?
KDE4. Plasma. The fattiest FOSS has to offer.
Worth looking at Trinity (KDE3 fork/continuation).
XFCE looks like it’s trying to go from lightweight to fattiest some upgrades too. Still, very elegant, and you wont notice that on new beefy hardware. But on ancientware, … best stick to LXDE, or even just openbox, or any other window manager, pretty much.
IceWM, calls itself a window manager, but it seems to cover all the main basics for a desktop environment feel.
There still be places to go to get the light, fast and shiny in FOSS, even if KDE went nuts around 15 years ago (whenever KDE4 was).
Didn’t KDE fix many of its mistakes from version 4? We’re on KDE 6 now.
It did. Even by KDE5 (which frankly I cant see much difference from KDE6).
But still, it’s never perfect.
And is still the fattiest FOSS has to offer.
Compared to GNOME, it’s still fairly lightweight.
Honestly W11 window management by default is better than KDE right now.
This was true for W10, but not any more.
KDE window outline defaults (don’t have a generic name for setting up the snap zones) take way more effort to set up than the windows version.
I don’t think requiring powertoys for extra features matters that much because its supported by the same company. In my opinion, when having something not default truly sucks is when its third party and is finicky and fickle because it requires developers developing vs a moving target.
When its an internal team, they have much more knowledge about how that target will be moving.
Anyhow, that is to say, I think KDE is great, and completely competent, and I love the level of customizability by default, but it certainly has many flaws. Of course its biggest flaw is not its own fault, but that of the catch 22 situation needed to gain critical mass, and the average linux proselytizer doing everything in their power to ensure people don’t want to try linux by somehow imagining themselves to be the every user, and constantly doing that annoying thing where they both say linux is powerful, and that the faults dont matter because the average user doesn’t use any of said powerful features or they themselves, personally got used to the faults.
Oh yeah? Can you pin windows? Can you have windows always under the others or above them? Can you manage the buttons in the top ribbon? And dont even start with custom layout or the magnetic attach of windows in KDE.
I didn’t download powertoys for fun. I needed a feature the windows did not have build in. After using KDE, even powertoys look basic to me.
Edit: Just remembered windows opacity, custom windows rules for almost everything and many more settings.
After using KDE, even powertoys look basic to me.
I think this is quite a bit exaggerated no? KDE lacks many of the tools Powertoys adds like the OCR, advanced clipboard, colour picker and more.
Also, yes, pinning windows on top exists.
I am comparing KDE with windows 11 in window managing. Powertoys has many tools but for window managing only the pin to top and fancy zones count. Pin windows only exist with Powertoys, not stock windows 11.
My comment was particular in what it was in response to.
I quoted the section of your comment that was relevant:
After using KDE, even powertoys look basic to me.
Yes in window managing they are (windows not the OS Windows).
Having to install powetoys on top of the OS makes it DOA for many on corporate environments. You get stuck on approval limbo or if someone else went through the pain, you discover it breaks every once in a while due to missing .net dependencies that you don’t have the right to install. I’ve seen this for both development (w10 w/ extended support) and thin clients (w11).
Unfortunately our clients all use Windows development machines, so we are stuck on the same to be able to write the guides and documentation. Most of our scripts now rely on Got bash since we know that’s available. MS environments are hostile to proper scripting and automation.
Gaming on Linux has gotten way better than what is was a few years ago.
“…Based on listening to two and a half episodes of Dual Boot Diaries and a brief text conversation with Will, I’m going to install CachyOS, an Arch-based distro optimized for gaming on modern hardware, with support for cutting-edge CPUs and GPUs and an allegedly easy setup…”
One of the most important lessons I learned from using Linux: Follow the packs, use the distros that a lot of people use not just some recommendation on some ranking sites / youtube vids. Ffs, might as well use vanilla Arch at that point so you can find answers faster. . Even Mint or Ubuntu LTS is a solid option.
The problem with new distros is that it is very hard to find answers to problems. General questions? Sure you can find help. Some bugs that mess up your system? You better pray to the GNU Gods that your distro spins are not that different from the original, e.g. Regolith’s i3wm vs normal i3wm…
Arch is a… Wait, let me rephrase: an Arch-based distro that leads the user by the hand when it comes to setting up the difficult stuff is a good choice, if only because of the Arch Wiki being the golden standard in terms of user-friendly documentation.
I’m surprised to hear that about the docs. I would have assumed it was very technical and assumed a lot of domain knowledge. Based on the Arch memes.
Great to hear!
I feel like Arch memes come from the fact that Arch - by default - doesn’t offer any fully fledged installer. You kind of build it yourself and configure everything manually. It’s something that’s become more tedious than difficult thanks to the amazing Wiki, which describes every step of the way.
There’s still a bunch of hilarious “Arch Greybeards” going “ah, you used archinstall, so can you truly say you installed Arch” but otherwise a lot of users are not that technical.
But, yeah, I decided to switch to something Arch-based because, like, 80% of the issues I had with Kubuntu/TuxedoOS eventually ended with someone linking an Arch Wiki article.
yeh at first i was like why all Arch users reference the wiki like its their Bible. Until I use Arch and troubleshoot myself, i would know how detail it is. You can find basically.everything about Linux there.
The downside? They need to structure the layout better. It is soooooo easy to misread or skip over stuff.
CachyOS is basically vanilla Arch, from a resource point of view. They have their own repos, but they just mirror the arch repos. The arch wiki fully applies. For the very few special things, there is documentation (basically a few notes on gaming related performance options).
So why use it? Carter it’s trivial to install, and everything you need is preconfigured to just work with sane defaults. Installing it is like Mint or Ubuntu. But it uses optimized repos according to your available CPU instruction set, and optimized proton and wine (their own). Games just work (even more so than they already do generally), and are faster. Programs are faster (where it matters). But you don’t need to do anything for that, it’s just there by default.
Bingo. Self hosting is my first exposure to Linux, I’m still a novice. Just migrated a couple of my Pi servers onto a Beelink EQ14. After a bit of reading i decided to install Ubuntu server on it purely because I’m more likely to glean answers from online forums & the like when inevitability hit a barrier.
I’m highly likely to dual boot my laptop/switch to linux Mint soon too
Mainstream : 3% lol
Might want to calculate out what the actual number is those “small” 3% represent. Or how the curve looks over time. how it changed from a mostly flat line to a very clearly and relatively steeply climbing curve.
3% after 34 years = exponential curve ? Lmao 🤣
The most successful Linux distros are ones that normal people are not aware they use at all. Most people dont install operating systems, they just use whatever comes with the device. To them its an appliance.
Android is a flavor of Linux and is widely successful. Ive seen libraries use Linux and a browser and the machines worked for decades. And there are quite a few Amazon tablets, ebook readers, etc… all using linux.
Theres a never ending number of examples out there.
Are you suggesting we should break into people’s homes and discreetly install Linux on their computers? Because I’m in
I think we need a new worm
This is epic 🤣
Sounds fun!
🤣 Thats pretty funny.
Looks like I finally found a purpose to live
I’ll leave my door open today. Please make it work and let me play games on steam without having to learn.
Seriously, I’m almost ready to try.
In general:
W11: fire up office, oops wait, it wants to set itself as default and for some reason needs you to buy a one drive subscription for that. How about some copilot? Are you sure? How about we wrap it in edge? Oh, but you can install Libreoffice by all means, but it’s not going to be the default app right? RIGHT?!!!
Oh you want to save the file to your harddrive? Look, how do I put this,… there is no more harddrive.
Linux: type one line in the terminal and there you go. Write a novel if you want.
Ironic that now Linux is the more “just works” os.
Unfortunately, it goes more like this…
Linux: type one line in the terminal? Lose 98% of the potential userbase.
The masses hate the terminal, for some reason, and it scares them away.
If you are doing stuff in Linux that requires the terminal, you were probably making edits to the registry in Windows or pasting in wild powershell lines from online guides.
No need for 98% of the user base to ever touch the terminal. Open whatever software store comes with your distro, click install next to whatever you want.
The only exception to that is that sometimes, when a trusted person is supporting you through something, giving them a line to paste into a terminal might be quicker than walking them through all the clicks of a gui. Sometimes.
Yeah but fortunately is 98% of the masses will never have to touch the terminal at all. Unless they get curious. Hell my girl and boys have been on Linux for several years and they have no issues touching anything and doing anything like a standard operating system. Anything more advanced they just hand me the computer and I take care of. I’ve introduced other customers and people to Linux re-image laptops and desktops and servers to it and they’ve never had any issues running it without even worrying about the command line.
for some reason…
several.
mostly conditioning by their abuser pretending to be their salvation. atrophying their potential and capacity and curiosity, deluding them about the challenge and diminishing their curiosity, hiding from them their growing empowerment, terrifying them about calamities technical and social with slippery slope fallacies, all both subconsciously and overtly. + the biases implanted inside the controlled user-lock-in bubble.
Eh, I think it’s just about ease of use and discovery. When you open a terminal, it just shows a blinking cursor. If you’ve never used the terminal before, how do you know what to type?
In a graphical desktop environment, you see icons, menus, etc. If you open a GUI application, you usually see buttons and things to click, and maybe even some guidance on how to use the app.
A lot of people just want to use their computer without too much of a learning curve. Most people are not powerusers.
You’re the type that saw the iPhone’s first release and thought, “It’s stupid to use my finger to touch stuff on the screen. Just use the tactile direction buttons like an intelligent person would.”
Nothing wrong with Arch as a distro base. The meme stuff is all bullshit. It is a peer of Debian and Fedora. These foundational community distros are not a good starting point for a beginner or for a painless consumerist experience but they are solid for experienced users and have the best support and documentation.
If you are approaching Linux from the PoV of someone who wants to learn rather than someone who wants a reliable consumer computing platform the big community distros are still absolutely the right way to go IMO.
People go on about Mint being friendly for users but under the surface it is Ubuntu which itself is pulling from Debian. People laud Bazzite despite it being Fedora based. ChromeOS is shipping Gentoo to school children. If you package Arch well and ship it to people like Valve has its an extremely pleasant consumer platform. CachyOS improves the arch installation and micro-optimises FPS but you can screw it up as easily as any other mutable Linux system so fundamentally it is not much better or worse than Mint or Ubuntu or Fedora for a consumer experience.
SteamOS, Bazzite and ChromeOS all recognise that immutability is the key to a reliable experience for consumers - an experience that surpasses Windows. Updates are the most likely way to break a system and the hardest thing for non expert users to troubleshoot and rectify. Immutable distros with good support for new hardware have to be the S tier choice for Windows refugees. I have never tried Bazzite and likely never will (I use arch btw, with one system being a cachyos hybrid) but on paper it seems like the most sane choice barring a general release of StreamOS. A distro like Mint might be user friendly but it is bringing nothing new to the table when it comes to a reliable experience for consumers.
The real solution for the majority of WIndows refuges is going to be pre-installs with the supplier guaranteeing all the hardware is supported like Steam Machine. That way you get rid of all the cursed Nvidia systems. I think something like PopOS is the wrong way to do it for normies as the old LTT videos demonstrated, it is still a fragile system for naive users underneath the friendly skin.
Idk I like that it has its own dedicated wiki instead of hopping forums all the time. And recompiling deb to work in your system isn’t that hard, somene might have already done the work for you in aur.
If you going to install Linux, install something basic like Ubuntu, fedora, mint and pop is!
Now tons of people will start searching for cachyos, because the vegre did.After breaking my hard drive with Bazzite not understanding immutability and trying to bypass it with permissions changes,I switched to Garuda as a beginner. It’s Arch based.
It has been easy, gaming just works, updates just work, it came with the drivers I need.
All this Arch hate needs to go away. It’s not what it was. I haven’t had to learn anything more complicated than Windows was.
Dabbled with Linux on a Raspberry Pi and a laptop that I only used from time to time; it wasn’t until the imminent Windows 10 support drop announcement that I finally installed it in my main rig. The words “fuck it” were uttered in my mind too.
Best desktop in the world, no joke.
*Least terrible
When will it be the year of actually being able to read articles?
Linux has been great for me for over 20 years, but the damn internet continues to get worse.
