I’ve heard it explained that “hey” used to be more of an urgent way to get someone’s attention, rather than a casual “hello” like it is now, so it sounded rude to some older folks.
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Teachers in 2023: “NOOO you can’t end your sentences with ‘fr fr nocap skibidi’ those aren’t even real words!”
2033:
2033: “Why would you say any of that corny old shit? You sloopy old frond!”
2035: We flippin’ grunts out here or what?
2050: ARTMEWTC (Acronyms Are The Most Efficient Way To Communicate)
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Binary solo. Also the humans are dead.
I poked one, it was dead.
Can we just talk to the humans?
No. Because they are dead.
2070: The unification war is over, we can all be chooms again.
2480:
main: push rbp mov rbp, rsp mov eax, 0 pop rbp ret
🖕
Me n my grepies outta die sinkies by flipoin grunts
Do we have a RemindMe bot for Lemmy yet? I want to re-read this prophecy in 10 years
A bit late but
@RemindMe@programming.dev 10 years
Seriously. The “Fr fr no cap” is closer to our generations “Swag yolo”. Or the past generations “Tubular”
Is it a reference to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibidi_Toilet? Is it used as punctuation like “lol”?
When I was a waiter, there was no shortage of boomers getting genuinely upset with me saying “No problem” as a reply to “thanks”.
I prefer to say no problem over you’re welcome cuz it always (to me) sounds sarcastic/disingenuous when I say you’re welcome
It’s like this:
You have a boss. A wrinkled plus-sized brown business jacket of a man whose idea of “cutting costs” is turning the air conditioner off. If he caught on fire, you wouldn’t piss on him to put him out. How do you address him? “Good morning Mr. Perkins, how are you doing today?”
You’ve got a war buddy. You met at boot camp, you served in the same company, he splinted your leg in the field, you’re his kids’ godfather. You’d kill and die for this man. How do you address him? “Ah god not this fucking asshole again.”
Official formal polite language like “Thank you” and “You’re welcome” is the pair of nitrile gloves I put on to handle the really noxious shit that comes my way. “w’thanks man” and “no problem” means I’m willing to handle you with my bare skin.
Lol did they specifically want “you’re welcome?”
Absolutely. I could understand it if it was a formal dining place I suppose. But it was a fucking Applebee’s in a 20k population town with one other restaurant lmao
Ugggggh I went through this with my (boomer) boss for years until she finally accepted it lmao. Then it was, “WORRIES, CaptFeather! WORRIES!” as a joke every time I said it lol
I had no idea that it’s considered improper. Online gaming is like
thx
np
Thx must have been too many letters because all I see now is “ty”
I only ever did that when typing via controller. If I had a keyboard I used full sentences but quickly. Sometimes the speed meant lack of proofreading though and weird things have been said.
It’s a stretch for kids to write anything completely online. We call it Kid Pidgin.
Pidgin btw
As an Aussie I don’t understand how people get confused by ‘no worries’ .
I’m an American and I say that all the time. I’m not sure how I picked it up.
There’s a little Aussie inside of everyone.
Bonzer!
Inmates lost all manners smh
Nah the prison guards are too uptight.
Imagine repying “danke”, which is thanks in German
Because there’s a difference.
And why do people need to pander to you specifically? Cant people be themselves?
Those are narcissistic traits.
Those are narcissistic traits.
OP did say that they were boomers, yes.
Who said anything about me, specifically? Saying “no problem” makes you sound insincere or that the task the customer asked you to do, was literally no problem and that’s the only reason you complied. There are all kinds of ways people can interpret that, but only one way to interpret “you’re welcome”.
I’m not going to say anything if you say that, but don’t act surprised when older people aren’t as forgiving.
only one way to interpret “you’re welcome”
This is just wrong. Tone matters just as much with “you’re welcome” as it does with “no problem”. Language is fluid like that, and it’s completely arbitrary to elevate one of these expressions over the other when both are in common usage.
Also, you’re deliberately misrepresenting what “no problem” means, in regards to “that’s the only reason you complied”. Nobody says it that way, and I don’t believe that you think they do.
Using semantics to make your point, is lazy and misleading. Of course you could say “you’re welcome” in a tone that could be taken as rude, but that wasn’t the point. The point was showing the difference between the two phrases.
If someone says you’re welcome, you know they are a corporate drone and management wants them to say that to avoid certain people making a scene. Why’s it insincere to say no problem? In the same vein, they only said you’re welcome because they are complying too.
There’s no issues with saying no problem unless you want there to be. Those are cool workplaces.
I just pointed out the problem. That phrase can interpreted many ways. We are also not talking about office buildings, we are specifically talking about the hospitality industry, where the language you use makes a significant impact on the customer’s experience.
The implication is that a problem was assumed until “no problem” was stated.
“No problem” is absolutely low key rude.
There is a difference, but it’s not one of inherent meaning, it’s more or less a generational culture difference.
I’ll place this here and pre-emptively say that assisting your understanding was… no problem https://youtu.be/eGnH0KAXhCw?si=sVBI__SCJ3mQkkWo
You’re right, why should words actually have an inherent meaning? 🤦🏻♂️
They do not? All words are invented and meanings morph over time.
Not an important difference, no.
Ok. 🤦🏻♂️
“No problem” takes “You’re welcome” and implies that it was of no inconvenience to you either. But I understand that older generations find it important that service workers be most humbly at their service, and adhere to a strict social etiquette just short of “Yes, m’lord” and “Shall I suck upon your dick, sir?”
“You’re welcome” is more appropriate in a professional setting, but if you’re getting your jimmies in a rustle over someone saying “No problem” to you instead, you’re a bit of an assfuck.
I’ve never heard being polite described like that, oh my. 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t think either phrase is impolite. Good manners are a made up thing. If someone said ‘thanks’ to me and I said ‘tiddle dee dee’ I’m not being rude, just a bit weird, nobody’s honour has been questioned, I haven’t said anything that could be taken as an offence.
If you are a service worker at a restaurant, then that is literally your job, to serve.
I love it when I order a sandwich at my local banh mi place near my office and you can see the cashier literally eye roll every customer that orders. They can’t even look you in the eye…
If you want people to be happy to be serving you then demand that they are paid more.
Otherwise buy your sandwich without any delusions of grandeur and fuck off.
Min wage is $15/hr
I’m glad that the attitude that if you don’t speak “correctly,” then you are not worth engaging with is dying out.
Well, on the grammar front, anyway.
I’m glad the “not worth engaging with” attitude is dying out, but I do still think it’s important to push for people to communicate accurately and effectively, which includes understanding and following grammatical rules when needed.
Language and vocabulary are essential to how we think and collectively problem-solve.
Yep, I get the “Language is constantly evolving” argument, but if I have to read your sentence three times just to parse it because you were too lazy to press a few keys, I’d consider that disrespectful to whomever is reading your comments
Frfr no cap
Aye awa shite n yer haunds n’ clap bawbag eh
The people who insist on communicating incorrectly are intentionally choosing either to be stupid or to fuck with people.
Either way, I’m still not interested in interacting with them.
Language is evolving, and part of evolution is killing off unfit new phrases
The point of language is to communicate information.
If the information was successfully relayed, the language exchange was successful.
If the person knows you MEAN “hello, I would like two of these items here, thank you good sir. hands cash and cashier says thank you You’re welcome. Have a pleasant day, sir” when you SAY “Sup, two please. Thanks man. No problem have a good one.” then you have successfully languaged.
So when my wife with a plethora of issues involving word recall says some insane thing because she can’t remember the right words, as long as I understand what she means, her language did it’s job.
There’s got to be movement on both sides to a common understanding. If one side won’t budge, then fuck 'em.
People using they/them pronouns:
I think they are finding that they will be lonely if they want to continue to follow that path.
It should of died out long ago and on the side of academic linguistics did, but on the internet sadly not so much
should of
Why do you want to hurt us so?
Because these who feel hurt by this deserve to be hurt. No tolerant for intolerance
Are you trying to wind me up mate 🥲
CHOWDAH
Personally, I feel like they were just trying to get people to use proper English rather than slang.
It’s not that they’re all dead and that’s why you don’t hear it anymore, it’s that things have gotten significantly worse for kids these days and getting them to speak proper English seems the least of their worries. Hahaha
Language evolves and anyone who refuses to accept that is a philistine.
If the person understands what you’ve said, congratulations you just succeeded in communication. Why does everything have to be “proper”? Who decided that? Oh yeah, the old philistines trying to quash “hey”.
Why does everything have to be proper? So you don’t sound like a fifth grader while “communicating”.
Why does that matter? If I can communicate with my friends in half the time, it’s more time to do other stuff.
Don’t be jealous, grab a book and get with the times. You could always join them, you can also keep your old lingo so you can communicate with other older people too. Young kids already flip between the lingos, why can’t you?
Why would I be jealous? Also, I don’t need to “grab a book and get with the times”, I’ll just stick to speaking English, LMFAO.
Which English…? You just used an acronym/phrase that’s not “proper” English……
Also, is “proper” before Shakespeare? Invented lots of words, why are those acceptable, but not newer stuff?
Honestly it seems like most people have assumed that the way things are now is how they’ll always be. I’m not sure why everyone seems to think this but I’ve noticed it everywhere with almost everyone.
There’s this sense that everyone seems dug in and rooted and acting like their entire world isn’t subject to change on a whim.
It’s really fuckin weird.
Life gets more turbulent as you age so you just try to hold the fuck on.
I used an acronym so I wouldn’t have to spell it all out. I wouldn’t say LMFAO in a verbal conversation. 🤦🏻♂️
Honestly, I’m not like the boomers, I don’t really give a f**k what you sound like. If you want to sound like you have the education of a fifth grader, who am I to judge?
The OP obviously has a chip on his/her shoulder over this, given the reasoning.
Right…. so it’s acceptable for you to do it? But not other people? Can a young kid not decide you’re not worth their time and communicate their own way…?
What is proper English? Where is the line? You just thought it was acceptable to use a modern acronym. It’s hypocritcal to claim you speak proper English, than end it with that.
You just sounded like a third grader yourself. I understood you fine, theres nothing wrong with that, if it makes things easier and smoother, all the better for people.
I’m sure there is a point to this, I just don’t give a fuck what it is. 🤣
someone on reddit got pissed at me for not writing a ‘coherent’ comment, ie because i didn’t use enough capital letters. so anachronistic, don’t you know the style now old man?
It does seem to come from narcissism. It’s a two way street, we need to know how to communicate old school and talk to our elders, but weren’t they also raised to look something up in a dictionary? They don’t want to learn, so no it’s on you to do it so you can talk to me.
I’m 34 I’m gonna struggle with keeping up with my kids lingo haha.
You probably left out the commas as well. Not surprising…
None of what we speak today is “proper English.” Languages are constantly evolving.
Taking my statement literally to try and prove your point, just makes you look petty.
…or it makes you bad at communicating, which is the entire purpose of your comment, and language in general.
Maybe you shouldn’t ride on such high linguistic horses?
You’re right, let’s just continue to sound unintelligent.
Meanwhile, foreign countries can speak better English than we can…
I am foreign. Never set foot in an English speaking country.
Thank you for helping to prove my point.
Also, the kids they were telling off in the early nineties are pushing fifty now and won’t take any shit from an octogenarian.
“Fuck off Dad, or I’ll take you back to the home!”
Was there really a cause behind that? I always thought it was people just being silly.
Both, really. Some people enjoyed it, some people wanted it to stop.
It could also have been just that - an old joke that everyone liked responding with when they had the chance.
That is how I always perceived it. I can’t even imagine someone saying that with a straight face as a correcting rebuke.
I still say it. I thought it was funny. Now I am nervous people thought me rude.
It was what passed for a meme back in the 1950s. There was a comic alphabet that was performed as a turn in the music halls. It started off with “A for horses, B for Mutton, C for miles” and so on.
Your link says 1936.
It does, and if there is a recorded version at that date you can bet it had been floating around for longer than that. Reason I said 50’s is because that was when my parent’s generation were in their young adulthood which if you think about it is where all these catchphrases really set up home in your brain. The other thing, now I think on it, is that it wasn’t said as a response to ‘Hey’ as a greeting it was always said to stop the somewhat Cockney way of indicating you hadn’t heard. What they wanted you to say was ‘Pardon?’ or even ‘I beg your pardon?’, they didn’t like ‘What?’ all that much and couldn’t abide ‘Eh?’ or ‘Ay?’ So it it was usually more of that same ‘Don’t talk to your elders like that’ bullshit that all the baby boomers rebelled against.
I think someone took a dad joke too seriously.
In the nineties, i had an old guy respond “‘Hey’ is the first stage of horse shit.”. I still use it to this day.
that’s so much better. I’m 100% incorporating that into my daily phrases
My old man used to say (in a sing-song voice):
Hay is for horses
Sometimes cows
Chickens would eat it
But they don’t know how
im old but you are most definitely older than i
Not once did someone say that to me in a corrective or condescending way. It was always a playful joke.
In elementary school we used to say “hay is for horses, and cows like you!”.
We had “Hay is for horses, sometimes for cows, pigs don’t eat it 'cause they don’t know hows”
It was always “and cows say moo” for me.
I remember my mom getting uptight over the word “sucks”, as in “that sucks” or “it really sucked”. Literally everyone was saying it, there was no way I could help it lol
Core memory unlocked.
Mom used to get angry about me saying something sucks. She explained why it made her angry, and how it referenced a terrible and no-good sex act. I was about 16 at the time, and had already experienced this horrible, no good thing that nobody should do and just felt sorry for dad.
Sucks for her
No, she does it
Vacuum. It sucks too.
Go suck an egg, man
A mayon-egg?
They’re gone now but moved on to inside our government
We all should have anticipated that after the “don’t say gay” law, there will be a “don’t say hey” law
It’s not the “don’t say gay” law, it’s the “stop trying to indoctrinate children with queer ideology”, law. I could see how you would get that confused…
How about we stop trying to indoctrinate children with hetero-normative ideology.
Ok, sicko…
Okay so then “stop trying to indoctrinate children with equine sustenance ideology” law
We’ll get right on that. 🙄
‘Sup
'Sup with the whack Playstation, 'sup? Huh?
What?
Sup?
“Sup is for meal times!”
In 2005 ‘Hello there - General Kenobi!’ became the acceptable greeting amongst teenagers and old timers. Lets bring it back.
Hey! Listen!
